A return to safe standing

[JGL07]

It isn't going to happen.

1. It will require legislation and that required parliamentary time as well as a political consensus across all parties. None exists.

2. The police would probably object on the grounds that it is hard to detect troublemakers as compared with seating where the club will knows who is in each seat.

3. The Football Authorities would have to agree and they have shown no sign of doing so.

4. The clubs will not want to reconfigure stands to accommodate standing having spent millions converting to all seater. This would have to be capable of converting back to seating for European matches.

5. The clubs may not be too keen on offering cut price tickets if standing came back in.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

It isn't going to happen.

1. It will require legislation and that required parliamentary time as well as a political consensus across all parties. None exists.

2. The police would probably object on the grounds that it is hard to detect troublemakers as compared with seating where the club will knows who is in each seat.

3. The Football Authorities would have to agree and they have shown no sign of doing so.

4. The clubs will not want to reconfigure stands to accommodate standing having spent millions converting to all seater. This would have to be capable of converting back to seating for European matches.

5. The clubs may not be too keen on offering cut price tickets if standing came back in.

1. Wrong. There is no legislation in place saying grounds have to be all seated. it is a regulation, therefore does not require legislation to repeal it. Remember when the Taylor Reort came out and all 4 divisions were to go all seated? The government caved in under pressure from the lower leagues and David Mellor (then minister for sport) stood up in parliament and declared it would only be for the top 2 divisions. Just like that. That's all it needs - a minister to stand up and say ''after a review, we have decided standing can take place''. And the Lib Dems had safe standing as one of their election mandates

2. Evidence from places like Cardiff's Ninian Park and other grounds still with standing does not say it is any less easier to police than seating. In fact, it is easier for the police to go into a standing area than a seated area to deal with trouble.

3. The football authorities will show a sign of being for it when there is a demand from clubs - the clubs vote at meetings and the authorities carry out the resukts of the vote.

4. You dont have to reconfigure stands - you simply install the safe standing barriers as seen in Germany on every other row. These grounds host domestic games week in / week out with standing and convert very easily for European games to the seated style without any hassle.

5. If an area of 4000 seats transforms into a standing area for 7200 fans - the clubs wont have an issue lowering the price to cater for an extra 3200 fans each week. The figures speak for themselves.
Just say it is £35 to sit - 4000 x 35 = 140,000
And they charge £25 to stand - 7200 x 25 - 180,000
£40,000 profit each game, x 19 games per season = £760,000. Every season. Plus 3200 more fans to potentially sell food / programmes / club shop items to as well.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

I'm all for "S.A.F.E" as it used to be called so don't take this as a negative, just an enquiry. How would someone like myself who is a SC holder in the SS be accomodated for an end that could hold 7200 in the league and domestic cups, yet only 4000 for European ties ?

 

[bringer678]

I was stopped from taking my free sweets out of a jar because of health and safety! :s

 

[Momentum]

This problem of not being able to stand is come at from the wrong angle. When you could stand in the Kippax it created an atmosphere because you could go with whoever you wanted. If you have a season ticket you cannot decide you want to go and watch a match with an occasional supporter. The actual watching of a football match is anti social and you can now get as much atmosphere watching a game in the pub. At least in a pub a group of ten people can watch a match together.

The problem with football is that you can never change who you go with, where you sit or stand and you cannot move if someone starts annoying you. It is not as sociable as when flexibility was available. In the Kippax you would stay left if you wanted noise and aggression and right if you wanted it quieter. If you went with different peole you could go to a different location. FLEXIBILITY is what is needed!

 

[bringer678]

This problem of not being able to stand is come at from the wrong angle. When you could stand in the Kippax it created an atmosphere because you could go with whoever you wanted. If you have a season ticket you cannot decide you want to go and watch a match with an occasional supporter. The actual watching of a football match is anti social and you can now get as much atmosphere watching a game in the pub. At least in a pub a group of ten people can watch a match together.

The problem with football is that you can never change who you go with, where you sit or stand and you cannot move if someone starts annoying you. It is not as sociable as when flexibility was available. In the Kippax you would stay left if you wanted noise and aggression and right if you wanted it quieter. If you went with different peole you could go to a different location. FLEXIBILITY is what is needed!

In Germany it's a bit of a free for all and it works perfectly there

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I'm all for "S.A.F.E" as it used to be called so don't take this as a negative, just an enquiry. How would someone like myself who is a SC holder in the SS be accomodated for an end that could hold 7200 in the league and domestic cups, yet only 4000 for European ties ?

Good and valid question - it would be down to loyalty points for that area, it's the only way to do it. People who are already in that area would get first dibs and the 3200 (assuming they were season card holders) would have to move else where.
It's not ideal - but if that's the only ''downside'' to a standing area, I look forward to it!

 

[Rodney]

Does anyone posting here actually go to watch the game?

Never encountered so many people who take pleasure from standing up, do you have chairs in your house or do you prefer the better atmousphere that standing up seemingly creates?

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Does anyone posting here actually go to watch the game?

Never encountered so many people who take pleasure from standing up, do you have chairs in your house or do you prefer the better atmousphere that standing up seemingly creates?

On the off chance that your serious, my answer would be that an atmosphere in my house enhances nothing, therefore I do indeed have seats ?
My question to you would be if you prefer to sit and watch the game in a controlled analytical manner (which is fine for some, each to there own of course) do you stay at home and watch on TV when the games are televised. You get clear views and instant multiple replays, therefore this must be your prefered option ?

 

[Indestructable]

Not this topic again