A War On Three Fronts

[west didsblue]

We seem to be turning this into another Brexit thread which I assume wasn't the intention. Looking at one of the other points made - the apparent willingness of the government to break international law to achieve its ends, I see this as an even bigger issue than the ongoing failure of achieving any Brexit benefits. If we want to "unleash Britain's potential" as a leading trading nation, how many countries are going to sign up to international agreements with us when we've demonstrated that we're prepared to ride roughshod over them if it suits us by invoking a domestic law that contradicts the terms an agreement that we've signed up to but have subsequently decided we don't like (or have signed up to something for expedience knowing that we're going to renege on it). This could be the final nail in the coffin of the UK as multi-nation democratic entity.

 

[Rascal]

You would have us live under a political system that oversaw well over 100 MIllion dead in the 20th century.

Fucking clueless. Put your socialist worker play book down for an hour or so!

We already do, rampant free market capitalism is the biggest killer of people in history, it just doesn't do it in one country it does it world wide.

 

[west didsblue]

The only war raging is in the heads of those who can't accept we have left the EU.

Looks like that's just you.

Next is the UK will no longer be a member of the EU.

 

[BobKowalski]

I'm not fighting Bob.

Negotiating a future trade deal is not a war.

You keep saying it though and asking what are we fighting for if it helps.

The only war raging is in the heads of those who can't accept we have left the EU.

We left the EU eight months ago. Reneging on a deal that facilitated that exit is a war, it is conflict. Reneging on a binding treaty means no future trade deal. You cannot sign a future deal with a country who has just reneged on a deal you have just signed with them. Anything the EU agreed and ratified with the UK would be meaningless. What would be the point?

 

[mackenzie]

We seem to be turning this into another Brexit thread which I assume wasn't the intention. Looking at one of the other points made - the apparent willingness of the government to break international law to achieve its ends, I see this as an even bigger issue than the ongoing failure of achieving any Brexit benefits. If we want to "unleash Britain's potential" as a leading trading nation, how many countries are going to sign up to international agreements with us when we've demonstrated that we're prepared to ride roughshod over them if it suits us by invoking a domestic law that contradicts the terms an agreement that we've signed up to but have subsequently decided we don't like (or have signed up to something for expedience knowing that we're going to renege on it). This could be the final nail in the coffin of the UK as multi-nation democratic entity.

We were once the sick man of europe, then we were the basket case of europe and now we are the chancing conmen of europe.
In fact, we will soon be seen as all three at the same time.
I despise what cummings and the like are doing to this country.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Actually the EU will be fucking us. They have the bigger dick.

And in a pandemic you are not just deciding for yourself. Your actions directly impact on others. You have to think of the welfare of others not just yourself, especially those who may be more at risk than yourself.

we are all doomed bob. lol

you might aswell give up now pal.

oh i forgot you did that ages ago didnt you.

always puts a smile on my face reading your doom laden posts.

Good job you wernt born a couple of generations ago when this country had life and death problems magnitudes greater than those of today.

 

[BobKowalski]

Looks like that's just you.

It was a telling phrase. It‘s emotional thought. I don’t feel we have left the EU so I get no emotional satisfaction from leaving the EU therefore we must leave the EU in a better, more emotionally satisfying way.

Which basically is Govt policy. We signed the WA, waved our flags then grew unhappy at the obligations we happily accepted eight months previously. it’s like a addict needing a bigger ‘hit’ each time.

The inevitable outcome is total rupture with Europe. Any compromises, any cooperation will be deemed as too much ‘EU interference’ in our sovereign affairs.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

We left the EU eight months ago. Reneging on a deal that facilitated that exit is a war, it is conflict. Reneging on a binding treaty means no future trade deal. You cannot sign a future deal with a country who has just reneged on a deal you have just signed with them. Anything the EU agreed and ratified with the UK would be meaningless. What would be the point?

A war!! give your head a wobble for goodness sake you big drama queen!

 

[RabidCity]

It was a telling phrase. It‘s emotional thought. I don’t feel we have left the EU so I get no emotional satisfaction from leaving the EU therefore we must leave the EU in a better, more emotionally satisfying way.

Which basically is Govt policy. We signed the WA, waved our flags then grew unhappy at the obligations we happily accepted eight months previously. it’s like a addict needing a bigger ‘hit’ each time.

The inevitable outcome is total rupture with Europe. Any compromises, any cooperation will be deemed as too much ‘EU interference’ in our sovereign affairs.

This is a real issue as it comes down to the root of the vote. EU interference in UK law. It’s so easy to blame things on EU interference going forwards, that we have to negotiate from a point of a separate sovereign nation in every way. So the UK can’t back down on any of it, otherwise more outrage.

We’ve had a historic close relationship with the EU so it’s hard, and probably not the best thing for us. neither of us are going to win.

It’s like a slow motion car crash but it comes down to what the British negotiating team are saying, the EU need to treat the UK as a separate nation and not a rogue state.

Sadly it looks like we’ll both be worse off in the short term.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is a real issue as it comes down to the root of the vote. EU interference in UK law. It’s so easy to blame things on EU interference going forwards, that we have to negotiate from a point of a separate sovereign nation in every way. So the UK can’t back down on any of it, otherwise more outrage.

We’ve had a historic close relationship with the EU so it’s hard, and probably not the best thing for us. neither of us are going to win.

It’s like a slow motion car crash but it comes down to what the British negotiating team are saying, the EU need to treat the UK as a separate nation and not a rogue state.

Sadly it looks like we’ll both be worse off in the short term.

The Eu wont be worse off as they've already plugged the gap in trade created by the UK leaving. And in fact after our show of bad faith I would put it past them not to do a deal as we could just rip it up 9 months later.