Afghanistan

Horrible **** on GB News - the two are well suited - imagine sending Swayne to negotiate anything - I wouldn't trust him to buy me a coffee

 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You are right if you accept we are a puppet. We, and many others have a real say. Maybe Brexit had an affect but surly we could have had a chat with our European partners?

There was no appetite, maybe down to COVID, but it was a cowardly way out. Just look at Johnson’s body language.

To confirm, we are just a puppet who bow to whatever the USA want.
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Brexit has diminished us on the world stage. We have spent 5 years rubbishing the EU and mis-representing the negotiations thanks to Frosty the Showman. Nobody listens to us. We are the international nutter on the bus muttering away and people just looking away and ignoring us
 
bluethrunthru said:
Brexit has diminished us on the world stage. We have spent 5 years rubbishing the EU and mis-representing the negotiations thanks to Frosty the Showman. Nobody listens to us. We are the international nutter on the bus muttering away and people just looking away and ignoring us
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Blue Mist certainly is
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
It is heartbreaking watching a woman on Sky begging to leave Afghanistan as her husband joined the taliban and now beats her all the time

she will go any country anywhere else it’s so sad. I think we let her through and she broke down crying so grateful to leave
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That’s fucking nothing compared to BluemoonMatt having to buy his own house.
 
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I fled to the UK in 1956. This is not the welcome I remember

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Meanwhile, in aspects other than keeping out refugees...

How will expanding our nuclear arsenal deter the Taliban?
 
Vic said:
Meanwhile, in aspects other than keeping out refugees...

How will expanding our nuclear arsenal deter the Taliban?
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Dunno but they are shitting themselves coz we have 2 aircraft carriers with borrowed American planes on them - the new Royal Yacht will bring about instant capitulation and the reinstatement of Kabul Pride Day
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
.we don’t have to do what they did, cut and run.
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And what about close and fast air support for troops ,We don’t have anything to do that mission with, also no eyes in the sky as well as the RAF bean counters have just sacked off the Sentry AEW and R1 Sentinels and the replacement is not here for another five year years .
 
bonespost said:
And what about close and fast air support for troops ,We don’t have anything to do that mission with, also no eyes in the sky as well as the RAF bean counters have just sacked off the Sentry AEW and R1 Sentinels and the replacement is not here for another five year years .
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This all just demonstrates the impotence of the once respected UK Armed Forces. They have the guts but they don't have the personnel nor the equipment ....... good news is those cuts enable Sunak to take £20 pw off the poorest
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
That Biden has finally pulled us out of Afghanistan is IMO absolutely the correct decision. There is however a failure of intelligence with respect to the rapid collapse of Afghan forces.

I guess that but buck stops at the Commander and Chief - but honestly - accurate forecasting of Taliban strength and capability, preparedness to quickly advance the moment that US disengages - US intelligence and/or the ability to communicate up the line is obviously screwed up.
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Me? I don't fault Biden here at all. The correct decision is to pull out. We need to get all citizens out of Afghanistan and any Afghan who has shown loyalty to our cause is now at extreme peril.
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I can’t agree with this. It’s been reported people being murdered and there are Taliban rape gangs on the prowl for children as young as 12. I’m struggling how a correct decision can have that as direct consequence.

The last US death in Afghanistan was 18 months ago, and from what I’ve read it was down to 2,500 troops mainly in support roles.

After 20 years why hand over the country to the Taliban along with billions of dollars worth of guns, ammunition and helicopters? On top of that it’s an insult to those that have served over there.

Fair enough, bring the troops home but at the very least wait until the winter set in Afghanistan and get US citizens out first and have some kind of strategy in place.
 
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Wafty Cranker said:
I can’t agree with this. It’s been reported people being murdered and there are Taliban rape gangs on the prowl for children as young as 12. I’m struggling how a correct decision can have that as direct consequence.

The last US death in Afghanistan was 18 months ago, and from what I’ve read it was down to 2,500 troops mainly in support roles.

After 20 years why hand over the country to the Taliban along with billions of dollars worth of guns, ammunition and helicopters? On top of that it’s an insult to those that have served over there.

Fair enough, bring the troops home but at the very least wait until the winter set in Afghanistan and get US citizens out first and have some kind of strategy in place.
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The deal had already been made, by Pompeo, in the Middle East, with the exiled Taliban leader, before Biden was even the President!

In short, Biden following through on an agreement made by his predecessor.

And, using the “It’s been reported” before using the rape of a 12 yr old is a cheap trick in discussing a massive…as in global…political decision. Indeed, the rape could just as easily happen with a few thousand US troops in country as without them…and probably did many times.

Did the Taliban sweep through the country quicker than anyone thought? Apparently, YES!
How? No American troops and the complete capitulation of Afghan Forces, most of whom fear the Taliban.

So, not to be too blunt, who the fuck, other than Embassy Staff, is still hanging around in Afghanistan with the country about to be handed back to the 15th century???

With a force only sufficient to guard the aircraft and secure the airport for the airlift, what exactly was America supposed to do? Send enough troops to secure all of Kabul? Why? For the idiots who decided to stay there with the inevitable about yo happen?

Not worth the life of a single American soldier IMHO.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The deal had already been made, by Pompeo, in the Middle East, with the exiled Taliban leader, before Biden was even the President!

In short, Biden following through on an agreement made by his predecessor.

And, using the “It’s been reported” before using the rape of a 12 yr old is a cheap trick in discussing a massive…as in global…political decision. Indeed, the rape could just as easily happen with a few thousand US troops in country as without them…and probably did many times.

Did the Taliban sweep through the country quicker than anyone thought? Apparently, YES!
How? No American troops and the complete capitulation of Afghan Forces, most of whom fear the Taliban.

So, not to be too blunt, who the fuck, other than Embassy Staff, is still hanging around in Afghanistan with the country about to be handed back to the 15th century???

With a force only sufficient to guard the aircraft and secure the airport for the airlift, what exactly was America supposed to do? Send enough troops to secure all of Kabul? Why? For the idiots who decided to stay there with the inevitable about yo happen?

Not worth the life of a single American soldier IMHO.
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This was inevitable from the moment the FORMER guy released the leader of the Taliban, then when he released 5,000 Taliban from prison and gave a deadline of first of May for American servicemen and women to withdraw, and even in April he was boasting at a rally that there was NOTHING Biden could do to stop this.
 
law74 said:
This was inevitable from the moment the FORMER guy released the leader of the Taliban, then when he released 5,000 Taliban from prison and gave a deadline of first of May for American servicemen and women to withdraw, and even in April he was boasting at a rally that there was NOTHING Biden could do to stop this.
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Exactly!

However, to be honest, both parties saw votes in shutting down this war.

The problem, of course, was asserting a red line time line. That allowed the Taliban to plan and organize their ascent.

Even though Biden got them to agree to extend May 1 to August 31 to not target Americans, it is now clear that the thousands of Afghans who aided the Americans on the ground are the ones in real jeopardy.

Tonight, Biden said if there are still Americans who need evacuating AFTER Aug 31, they’ll stay until they’re all gone. The problem, of course, is the Taliban are currently the gatekeepers of everywhere except the airfield, and even the top military brass agree there are not enough troops to leave the airfield to provide safe passage for anyone!

What SHOULD have been agreed was safe passage for EVERYONE to the airport, then US officials, protected by the 82nd Airborne, could separate the wheat from the chaff.

The fear in America, of course, is the sleeper agent who is given safe passage to the US and then seeks martyrdom for some atrocity he might perform while here. Others simply don’t want anymore ‘ferners allowed into the country from anywhere…unless they swear the Republican oath, of course!!
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
Always choice in life. I wonder how carefully the decision was debated and by whom?
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Tell me what they were then ? The yanks signed the agreement on behalf of all the coalition forces. If we had stayed we would be in breach of an international agreement. We are too much of a lapdog to withdraw earlier.
The yanks ran the show, there was no discussion or debate.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You are right if you accept we are a puppet. We, and many others have a real say. Maybe Brexit had an affect but surly we could have had a chat with our European partners?

There was no appetite, maybe down to COVID, but it was a cowardly way out. Just look at Johnson’s body language.

To confirm, we are just a puppet who bow to whatever the USA want.
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It is nothing to do with Brexit. We were part of the European Union when we invaded. The rest of Europe by and large stayed out. We are puppets because we followed the yanks into Kuwait, Iraq Syria and Afghanistan.
Further it was nothing to do with Covid. Trump decided everyone was pulling out, they were in total charge. Yes we could have broken rank, us against the Taliban, yeh right.
 
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