Afghanistan

Rascal said:
Hi Nigel.

Why are thousands waiting for homes? Because Thatcher sold all the fucking council stock off and barred local govt from replacing it in a mindless attempt to make the people think owning a home was like owning a castle, when in fact all it made them was slaves to the owners of capital. That is treating taxpayers with contempt.

As long as people like yourself continue with the free house, free car, free 50ft wide TV rhetoric the Govt can keep lining their mates pockets at the taxpayers expense.

Have you ever bothered looking at immigration figures, the UK takes in less than France, Germany, Greece, Italy and many other smaller states.
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Rascal, we cannot keep blaming Thatcher. She was 40 years ago. There have been labour governments since then who could have reversed her policies

What I would say is no more Colonial policies. We should not dictate to other countries how they live.
 
Gray said:
So our overcrowded island is getting more overcrowded.
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Jonathan Portes of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research points out that much of the UK is not crowded . All population statistics are by definition slightly out of date and approximate, but while England has roughly 410 people a sq km – the second highest in the EU – Wales has only 150, Northern Ireland 135 and Scotland 70. Even heaving, stressful London is much less full of people than is widely supposed. “London is the lowest-density mega-city on the planet,” states Professor of Demography Danny Dorling. “The densest part of London is four times less dense than Barcelona, a normal, well-planned European city that Britons all want to visit.”

Dorling argues that the UK’s “overpopulation problem” is really the product of poor land use and social division, of corporate wage squeezes and cuts in state provision. “We’ve managed to organise ourselves so that much of our daily lives is crowded. We have the smallest homes in Europe. Meanwhile, there’s lots of wasted space.” Inner London is increasingly taken up by the huge, little-occupied homes of the super-rich and empty investors’ properties – a less tatty, but in some ways more dysfunctional and depressing, form of urban emptiness than the rundown streets of the 70s and 80s. At least those had the potential to become spaces for community groups, poor immigrants or bohemians.

In the parts of London and other British cities that remain heavily populated, says Dorling, “our fear of each other makes it much harder to live together. Density is much harder when a society is very unequal. Look at Japan: it can be very dense because it’s very equal”. Yet, thanks to the media and popular culture, many Britons are more familiar with the space-hungry suburbs of the US and Australia than the reality of life in modest flats in Japan or Barcelona. Our aspirations often remain suburban. Meanwhile, inadequate infrastructure further amplifies our overpopulation anxieties. As Dorling says, “We have mainline railway stations with pavements outside them that are are only two metres wide.”

He thinks the population panic will pass. “I find it hard to believe that we’ll have this gloomy discourse on population in 20 years’ time.” Portes agrees: “You can build more schools and hospitals. Population redistribution is hard, but not impossible. You obviously can’t plonk people in the middle of nowhere, but we built new towns in the 50s. Why not build more within commuting distance of, say, Manchester?”

Damian Green, with his recent experience as an immigration minister, is less sanguine. In Whitehall, “most of the discussions were about bringing the [immigration] numbers down. But I’d rather be in a country people wanted to come to than leave. We are a more self-confident country now than in the 70s. If we get relatively bigger [than our rivals], it will increase that.” Does he think the UK has an optimum, or maximum, population? “No. If you try to guess a number, that becomes a target.”


Sooner or later, Dorling points out, the current rise will go into reverse. The British economy will enter a recession and cease to be so attractive to immigrants. The Mediterranean economies will recover. Even the civil wars in the Middle East and Africa, and the resulting refugee crisis, will end. At this point, the size of the British population will depend much more on our fertility rate, which is around 1.9 children a family – one of the highest in Europe, but lower than the 2.1 needed to keep a population stable. Our population is in serious decline due to falling birth rates and we have an a aging population. Tell me then, who is going to pay for your pension?
 
Blue Mist said:
I agree but the people of this country seemed to be saying no more refugees, wether in boats or from anywhere, politicians merely reflect the people. Now the people have seen what a shit show it is they demand we bring them over. In 2 months time we will moan about no schools, boat people etc etc. The public change their minds depending on what Sky and others say.
I completely agree that we should have decided months ago who was coming and who was staying.
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Yes they could and it was disgusting they did nothing about it. But what did you expect from Blair, he was really not that much different to a Tory.
 
Gray said:
So our overcrowded island is getting more overcrowded.
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BLUEMATT23 said:
Absolutely ridiculous isn't it.
Thousands are waiting for homes yet we can just let people in whilst gifting them freebies.
As usual this government treats tax payers with contempt whilst letting everyone in from overseas.
The UK is finished.
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Not as absolutely ridiculous as either of those posts
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Bang on.
Many years ago after renting for years I asked Trafford Council about getting a flat.
They basically said to me because I was single and had 0 kids that I would be bottom of the list and would stand little chance. I was staggered at their response.
After 3 years I gave up. After another 15 years I finally saved for my 1st mortgage, I was 44.

The point I'm making is I don't think it's fair that hard working people can't get houses or flats yet we continue to let thousands and thousands of people who have not paid into the system. And they are entitled to benefits tv licences, discounts on other things.
The government doesn't care enough for its own people and its treatment of single men is appalling.
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Rascal said:
Yes they could and it was disgusting they did nothing about it. But what did you expect from Blair, he was really not that much different to a Tory.
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But the labour party elected him as leader which says a lot about your Labour. But that is another debate.
 
bluethrunthru said:
errrr..... SOME people not THE people.
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OK, some, my point us more about short term thinking which is sadly led by the media. They need to sell clicks so will change their opinion daily, voters need to stop joining in with their deliberate misinformation.
 
Rascal said:
Because Thatcher sold all the fucking council stock off and barred local govt from replacing it in a mindless attempt to make the people think owning a home was like owning a castle, when in fact all it made them was slaves to the owners of capital. That is treating taxpayers with contempt.
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Lol. Hi Russ. Hope you’re well mate.
 
Blue Mist said:
Nation building, by that you mean 19th century Colonialism. Your little country will do what we say and how we do it. We don't care for your traditions, your way of life or your beliefs, we insist you do it the way we say. The first nations of America and Australia say hi.
I am not having a go at you but why do the yanks and us insist on telling people how to live.
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Maybe the way we implement it is pretty close to colonialism. Doesn't need to be that way. I don't pretend to have an answer to the problem mate. Leave them too it certainly seams to be the easiest route but in the long term might prove to be catastrophic not to mention the obvious immediate humanitarian concerns. How the hell can you help a country that actively does deals not to fight with each other but lets the Taliban in as a consequence?
 
hammocity said:
Once again a thread is derailed by the left and their barmy theories and rhetoric.
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Thats it , blame the Left for this governments incompetence, blame Leftist rhetoric for Bodger being a brainless braggart, blame neo-liberal exploitation on leftist theory.

The leftists point out some uncomfortable home truths and the left is barmy, are you the love child of Macarthy, and I don't mean Mick.
 
Rascal said:
Thats it , blame the Left for this governments incompetence, blame Leftist rhetoric for Bodger being a brainless braggart, blame neo-liberal exploitation on leftist theory.

The leftists point out some uncomfortable home truths and the left is barmy, are you the love child of Macarthy, and I don't mean Mick.
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To be fair it wasn’t the Tories that took us into Afghanistan and once the Yanks decided to pull out, there was fuck all the British government could have done to stop what happened.

Thatcher may have reduced the amount of council owned housing but it’s not like Labour were in power for over a decade to put some more in.

Would be nice if every now and again, a humanitarian crisis wasn’t used to try and score political points.

Also regarding the Taliban, good luck to them. Seems no fucker in Afghanistan can be arsed stopping them from taking over again so I’m not sure why we should care. There’s far worse happening in many African countries and no ever seems to care. Plus it will be interesting to see how the world’s first narco state gets on.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe the way we implement it is pretty close to colonialism. Doesn't need to be that way. I don't pretend to have an answer to the problem mate. Leave them too it certainly seams to be the easiest route but in the long term might prove to be catastrophic not to mention the obvious immediate humanitarian concerns. How the hell can you help a country that actively does deals not to fight with each other but lets the Taliban in as a consequence?
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I don't have the answer either. I do find it strange that America can flout all international laws by going into a foreign country and assassinating Bin Laden but don't do the same to the Taliban in Qatar. Its almost as if they want another war/terrorist threat.. surely not.
 
You have to feel for the people left there... This makes grim reading when people are so desperate to leave.

Maybe because of the road blocks that people have mentioned...

The whole shit-show will put us in even greater danger of terrorist attacks... What a genius move it was going in there

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Rascal said:
Jonathan Portes of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research points out that much of the UK is not crowded . All population statistics are by definition slightly out of date and approximate, but while England has roughly 410 people a sq km – the second highest in the EU – Wales has only 150, Northern Ireland 135 and Scotland 70.
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As I suspected, send them all to Scotland I can live with that.
 
Gray said:
As I suspected, send them all to Scotland I can live with that.
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Yeah, they can all live in the middle of the Cairngorms which is one reason why our population per k is so low. (much of Scotland is uninhabitable).

In all seriousness, we should take as many as possible. We actively welcome immigrants.
 
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