Ajax fans being obnoxious

[Marvin]

Have you gave an answer why the chose that particular banner then Matty? why not a Russian, oil barrel or dollar bill?

It's a dig at the Arabs like the digs from all the other pundits, media and fans since they started getting into football ownership and that's my opinion.

Because it was in a match against you? I don't know if it actually was, but that would seem logical. If not, then because you/the sheikh are the most recent/most extreme example of what they have an issue with.

If anyone wanted to have a racist dig at Arabs for being Arabs they'd pick on stuff like terrorism,human rights, womens rights, oil prices, honour killings, Islam etc etc

Ajax will still win stuff domestically. They were out of contention in Europe years before City came along.City have so fair failed in Europe and even got beat by poor little impoverished Ajax. They ripped the piss ouy of United when they plated them in the Europa Shite League last season.I think a lot of you are not reading this one correctly.

I don't like that cartoon one bit. Smacks of racism, but City are the current symbol of wealth in the game. Point taken about that.

The general point of football being dominated by money is an easy and obvious one - but that obviously extends way beyond football into every facet of society. It's not City who carved up the European Cup and Football League and replaced it with the Champions League and Premiership. Commercial interests and the twisting of football's rules to suit the wealthy started a long time before City's takeover. We are an easy ogre.

 

[gooner6729]

OK so you now attach the Ajax 'story'to bayern's...
what's the story and why do you think that the star of david is appropriate any more or less tha celtic' s often oppressed irish flying the irish tricolour and the the paletininan flag..

any chance of an anwer here?

Well, Bayern and Ajax are similar in as far as that they were both victims of Nazism.

The Star of David flag at Ajax is not comparable to the tricolour at Celtic. Celtic was formed by and for the Irish community. In my opinion the tricolour is part of Celtic's identity and charm. More importantly, its flown by the club.

The Star of David at Ajax has nothing to do with the club or sectarianism. It was adopted by fans in response to anti-semitic abuse from rival clubs (same as Spurs in our country). Third time I've answered it. It goes back to the 80s, so certainly nothing to do with dislike for your sheikh as some seem to be suggesting.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would rival Dutch clubs target Ajax with anti-semitic abuse if there wasn't a link there in the first place?

I have no knowledge at all of the background of Ajax other than seeing a small number of Israeli flags amongst their support. I'd guess for some historical reason, Amsterdam's Jewish community has identified itself with Ajax. Sometimes there isn't a logical explanation it just happens. A bit like Man Utd being regarded as the Catholic Manchester club, and City the protestant.

Amsterdam has always been where Holland's Jewish community were based. So, if you had an anti-semitic agenda you pinned it on Amsterdam.

The background of most Euro football rivalries is class based and not sectarian. In Munich Bayern were middle and 1860 working class. In Milan Inter middle and AC working. In both cities most people,regardless of their social class were catholic.

Your Manc example perfectly illustrates the difference.The middle class in this country didn't like football and the cities were mixed religiously, so you ended up with protestant City v Catholic United.

So for arguments sake a Bayern 1860 derby would have 80% middle class people at the red end and 80% working class at the blue one. A Manc derby might have had a protestant majority in blue and a catholic one in red.

An Ajax v Feyenoord one might not have had any differences in social class/religious make-up, but Ajax would have been tagged Jews because thats where the small Jewish minority were based.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Kakhaber Tskhadadze K.O.T.A.]

Ajax fined for THAT banner


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January 21 - Ajax fans displayed banners, including an 'Against Modern Football" banner with a cartoon of a sheikh handing over a bag of money with a dollar sign on it, on a light blue background with a red line through it, during a Champions League match in October against Manchester City.

UEFA have fined Ajax €10,000 for their protest against the influence of the super-rich in football.

The offending banner was displayed, along with other banners which included "€80 for an away ticket is ridiculous" and an offensive message aimed at Manchester City, Chelsea, Red Bull Salzburg and Red Bull Leipzig.

Since September 2008, City have been owned by the Abu Dhabi United Group, an investment company of Sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed al-Nahyan.

UEFA's official stance was that the Dutch club was fined for "display of a provocative and inappropriate banner" but the fine.

The ban has raised some free speech concerns as well as, ironically, raising the awareness of the arguments of those who complain about "modern football" and the influence of money in the game.

 

[Anonymous]

Ajax fans can get fucked , bunch of third rate wankers !

 

[sergiokun]

They just wish Mansour owned them!

 

[Oystercatcher28]

If MCFC had not been taken over, UK and European transfers would have ground to a halt (bar Chelsea spending). End of.

 

[MCFC2393]

The banner was ridiculous they had money from those transfers they had over the years bringing up wealth of talent

Its their fault why they have sold them when they could keep them and if they did properly be europes 5th best team

They have a youth academy which the players could be worth £50,000,000 or roughly £8,000,000 each when they develop

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Well, Bayern and Ajax are similar in as far as that they were both victims of Nazism.

The Star of David flag at Ajax is not comparable to the tricolour at Celtic. Celtic was formed by and for the Irish community. In my opinion the tricolour is part of Celtic's identity and charm. More importantly, its flown by the club.

The Star of David at Ajax has nothing to do with the club or sectarianism. It was adopted by fans in response to anti-semitic abuse from rival clubs (same as Spurs in our country). Third time I've answered it. It goes back to the 80s, so certainly nothing to do with dislike for your sheikh as some seem to be suggesting.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would rival Dutch clubs target Ajax with anti-semitic abuse if there wasn't a link there in the first place?

I have no knowledge at all of the background of Ajax other than seeing a small number of Israeli flags amongst their support. I'd guess for some historical reason, Amsterdam's Jewish community has identified itself with Ajax. Sometimes there isn't a logical explanation it just happens. A bit like Man Utd being regarded as the Catholic Manchester club, and City the protestant.

Amsterdam has always been where Holland's Jewish community were based. So, if you had an anti-semitic agenda you pinned it on Amsterdam.

The background of most Euro football rivalries is class based and not sectarian. In Munich Bayern were middle and 1860 working class. In Milan Inter middle and AC working. In both cities most people,regardless of their social class were catholic.

Your Manc example perfectly illustrates the difference.The middle class in this country didn't like football and the cities were mixed religiously, so you ended up with protestant City v Catholic United.

So for arguments sake a Bayern 1860 derby would have 80% middle class people at the red end and 80% working class at the blue one. A Manc derby might have had a protestant majority in blue and a catholic one in red.

An Ajax v Feyenoord one might not have had any differences in social class/religious make-up, but Ajax would have been tagged Jews because thats where the small Jewish minority were based.
If you think City and United are split on religious grounds then you know nothing about football in Manchester. In Manchester it has been more about geography and relative affluence. City have always been the community club for everyone.


Hope that makes sense.

An Ajax v Feyenoord one might not have had any differences in social class/religious make-up, but Ajax would have been tagged Jews because thats where the small Jewish minority were based.
If you think City and United are split on religious grounds then you know nothing about football in Manchester. In Manchester it has been more about geography and relative affluence. City have always been the community club for everyone.

 

[VdG]

I registered here just to reply to this bloody horrible thread.

I don't like to generalise any set of fans, so it doesn't give me any pleasure to lump you all together.

However, all the shite this board has been spouting about Ajax being a non-entity has gotten me rather worked up. If City fans want to shake off the stereotype of being classless, loudmouthed, arrogant glory hunters then you need to wise up and have some freaking respect.

Saying that Ajax are a 'joke' and a 'feeder club' is beyond arrogant. As somebody thankfully pointed out, AFC Ajax have done more on the domestic, European and world stage than City will ever dream of.

Here's a quick copy and paste from Wikipedia:

Ajax honours:

Domestic
Eredivisie titles: 31

1917–18, 1918–19, 1930–31, 1931–32, 1933–34, 1936–37, 1938–39, 1946–47, 1956–57, 1959–60, 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1969–70, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1984–85, 1989–90, 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96, 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04, 2010–11, 2011–12


KNVB Cup: 18 times.
1916–17, 1942–43, 1960–61, 1966–67, 1969–70, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1978–79, 1982–83, 1985–86, 1986–87, 1992–93, 1997–98, 1998–99, 2001–02, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2009–10

Johan Cruijff Shield: 7
1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007

International
Intercontinental Cup: 2
1972, 1995

European Champion Club's Cup / Champions League: 4
1971, 1972, 1973, 1995

European Cup Winners' Cup: 1
1987

Uefa Cup: 1
1992

UEFA Super Cup: 2
1973, 1995

Other
Bruges Matins Trophy: 2
1994, 1997

Ted Bates Trophy: 1
2009

Chippie Polar Cup: 1
2010


Manchester City honours:
Domestic

First Division/Premier League:3
1936–37, 1967–68, 2011–12

Second Division/First Division: 7
1898–99, 1902–03, 1909–10, 1927–28, 1946–47, 1965–66, 2001–02

Third Division
Play-off Winners: 1998–99

FA Cup: 5
1904, 1934, 1956, 1969, 2011

League Cup: 2
1970, 1976

Charity Shield: 4
1937, 1968, 1972, 2012

Full Members Cup: 1
1986

International
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1
1970

I have little else to say - The stats speak for themselves, Sheikh's riches or not, to AFC Ajax: CITY ARE THE MINNOWS, they just won the lottery.

 

[Ric]

I registered here just to reply to this bloody horrible thread.

I don't like to generalise any set of fans, so it doesn't give me any pleasure to lump you all together.

However, all the shite this board has been spouting about Ajax being a non-entity has gotten me rather worked up. If City fans want to shake off the stereotype of being classless, loudmouthed, arrogant glory hunters then you need to wise up and have some freaking respect.

Saying that Ajax are a 'joke' and a 'feeder club' is beyond arrogant. As somebody thankfully pointed out, AFC Ajax have done more on the domestic, European and world stage than City will ever dream of.

Here's a quick copy and paste from Wikipedia:

Ajax honours:

Domestic
Eredivisie titles: 31

1917–18, 1918–19, 1930–31, 1931–32, 1933–34, 1936–37, 1938–39, 1946–47, 1956–57, 1959–60, 1965–66, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1969–70, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1984–85, 1989–90, 1993–94, 1994–95, 1995–96, 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04, 2010–11, 2011–12


KNVB Cup: 18 times.
1916–17, 1942–43, 1960–61, 1966–67, 1969–70, 1970–71, 1971–72, 1978–79, 1982–83, 1985–86, 1986–87, 1992–93, 1997–98, 1998–99, 2001–02, 2005–06, 2006–07, 2009–10

Johan Cruijff Shield: 7
1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007

International
Intercontinental Cup: 2
1972, 1995

European Champion Club's Cup / Champions League: 4
1971, 1972, 1973, 1995

European Cup Winners' Cup: 1
1987

Uefa Cup: 1
1992

UEFA Super Cup: 2
1973, 1995

Other
Bruges Matins Trophy: 2
1994, 1997

Ted Bates Trophy: 1
2009

Chippie Polar Cup: 1
2010

Manchester City honours:

Domestic
First Division/Premier League:3
1936–37, 1967–68, 2011–12

Second Division/First Division: 7
1898–99, 1902–03, 1909–10, 1927–28, 1946–47, 1965–66, 2001–02

Third Division
Play-off Winners: 1998–99 :lol::lol:

FA Cup: 5
1904, 1934, 1956, 1969, 2011

League Cup: 2
1970, 1976

Charity Shield: 4
1937, 1968, 1972, 2012

Full Members Cup: 1
1986

International
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1
1970

I have little else to say - The stats speak for themselves, Sheikh's riches or not, to AFC Ajax: CITY ARE THE MINNOWS, they just won the lottery.

How can you compete with a club with one Ted Bates trophy to their name? Do you know how many Thomas Cook trophies we have?! Where do you think the three stars come from?!