Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[Ban-jani]

- The family unit being the centre piece of society. Every study shows a breakdown of this leads to crime and poverty.

From the party that capped Child Benefit at a maximum of two children (irrespective of how many kids you had or your religious beliefs , introduced the bedroom tax and voted against feeding disadvantaged kids during the school holidays in the middle of a pandemic.

- Tough on crime. Doesn’t need explaining.

From the party that reduced police front line numbers by 23000 since 2010 has seen the number of rape convictions drop to practically zero etc etc

A view of liberty under law. Having a strong sense of law but allowing freedom beneath that is a cornerstone of western civilisation.

How does this help the average person ? There isn't a policy introduced by the Tories that doesn't contain an element of punishment (usually disproportionate and weighted against those that cant afford it )

A private sector that can trade freely, which lifts people out of poverty and allows them to own their own property.

Vast majority of the employed in the uk have to access some form of welfare be it child allowance , income support, tax credits etc..... i in every 4 in the UK live below the internationally recognised poverty line. They are supported by the tax payer whilst the wealthy avoid paying the correct level of tax. I dont think that or kids will be able to afford their own property either.

I’m going to be as polite as possible here but you’ve not read what I put, have you...

1) “but the Tories...” yes I know, they don’t have a monopoly on conservatism as an ideology and they certainly don’t live up to my standards of it.

Regardless of how your points do not impact the social views I have given.

I literally said to you that the Tory Party isn’t the living and breathing manifestation of conservative social policies. They do not have a monopoly on it and many conservatives are disappointed in them.

In God’s good name... why oh why must you constantly presume that conservatism as an ideology = the Tory party and the Tory Party = conservatism as an ideology.

It doesn’t.

 

[Ban-jani]

@The perfect fumble good idea to delete that disgraceful video, from a communist website, equating Churchill to Hitler.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Have you considered voting Labour could do exactly the same but for communism and we could end up with a Stalin?

In the grand scheme of things you’re left of centre and I am right of centre, we don’t need to be accusing the other of being extreme.

This country has been conservative for decades, maybe even centuries and never had a Hitler in the modern age... or any age. It’s partly why I support the monarchy. The monarch has some controls on the PM and Parliament on the Monarch.

My views contradict Hitler’s completely, this sort of soft accusation is both baffling and laughable to be honest but it’s where we are in 2021, I have to somehow prove why my views don’t support a Hitler type or something that could lead to it, despite never uttering stuff that is Nazism.

Has labour had a communist leader in recent times? When did a communist party seize power through the electoral process in a democracy?

If you don't like this discussion stop posting pictures of Stalin.

 

[Ban-jani]

Has labour had a communist leader in recent times? When did a communist party seize power through the electoral process in a democracy?

If you don't like this discussion stop posting pictures of Stalin.

The Stalin gif was a joke in response to Rascals hilarious insinuation that being left wing means you’re a good person, it was only a joke mind you.

Have the Tory Party had a fascist or Nazi type figure as their leader, ever?

My whole point is neither have so stop the accusations.

 

[hgblue]

The Stalin gif was a joke in response to Rascals hilarious insinuation that being left wing means you’re a good person, it was only a joke mind you.

Have the Tory Party had a fascist or Nazi type figure as their leader, ever?

My whole point is neither have so stop the accusations.

The idea that being left wing makes you a good person is laughable, and the millions of people who died at the hands of the likes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Amin and Castro bear witness to this.

 

[Ban-jani]

The idea that being left wing makes you a good person is laughable, and the millions of people who died at the hands of the likes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Amin and Castro bear witness to this.

They want conservatives to take ownership/responsibility for Hitler but they won’t and don’t acknowledge Stalin or Mao.

I don’t believe they should, but we shouldn’t have to for Hitler either.

 

[laserblue]

I was in export for 35 years, I started out as a junior in a shipping department back in 1980.

I knew this would happen, anyone who knew anything about exporting knew this would happen. The reason I stopped posting in the Brexit thread was because I was fed up with idiots spouting knownothing bullshit.

I'm retired now and thank god I don't have to deal with this shit show. There are export managers all over the country who've spent decades developing markets all over the EU, who are now seeing their life's work destroyed.

It's a f**king tragedy and a national scandal.

Spot on mate. I also spent 35 years at the sharp end in the export market and saw all this coming so it's not a matter of hindsight. I even posted about it in a Brexit thread ages ago after Farage and others waved away concerns about the danger of losing a chunk of the UK's biggest export market with glib comments like "There are plenty of other countries we can export to" which overlooked the fact that we already export to plenty of other countries and that these countries weren't going to fall over themselves to buy more of our products just because we shot ourselves in the foot.

I always worked on the principle that it could take two years to win a customer and two minutes to lose one.

 

[TheBlueDune]

Johnson deserves no credit for the vaccine and even less for the roll out of it.

Credit the people who developed the vaccine, not the fucking idiot doing his best make sure the vaccine was needed.

The Covid virus wasn't something he could prevent happening, but there were many things that could and should have been done better.

- Recognising it wasn't 'bad flu' that affected over the 70s when people were dying in China
- Loading the crisis management onto a bunch of incompetent ministers, should have had a single person managing the response. Jeremy Hunt springs to mind, ex Health Minister so knew the NHS capabilities, but of course he was his rival for leadership
- The care homes tragedy, frail people sent to the care homes to die, staff not protected or even aware
- The constant selling of hope, "it'll be better for Easter/Summer/Christmas/Easter(again)/Sumer(again)/..." and now vaccination by the Autumn is the latest
- Setting restrictions "from Monday" and thus encouraging people to have a last hooray at the weekend before, and then castigating them for doing so
- Pointing out the breaking of restrictions by a few people and thus diverting the attention away from the leadership
- Confusing messages all the time, felt like a game of 'Boris says' not 'Simon says'
- Confused message after confused message. Tiers 1/2/3/4/x. Stay at Home. Stay Alert (WTF?)
- Pandering to the Dipper Nation by letting them have a lesser Tier, then complaining when people enter Dipperland to go to the pub
- The PPE fiasco
- Track and Trace, enough said
- Everything is "world leading" when the England option isn't even "UK leading"
- Near rejoicing that the UK death rate is lower than Timbuktu, ignoring tens of thousands have died
- Squillions handed out to Tory mates for non-existent services (Can you spell PPE? Good, here's a contract)
- But hey! Got Brexit done with that "oven ready deal" What? Oh, yeah...

 

[hgblue]

They want conservatives to take ownership/responsibility for Hitler but they won’t and don’t acknowledge Stalin or Mao.

I don’t believe they should, but we shouldn’t have to for Hitler either.

There are concentration camps TODAY in China containing people whose only crime is being the wrong ethnicity, so I’m not taking any lectures from lefties about the evils of extremism. People who believe they are morally or intellectually superior are dangerous whether they are from the right or left.

 

[Vic]

Indeed. And you can see this in the way people vote (or don’t vote).

2019 General Election:
Labour 10.3m votes
Conservatives 13.9m votes
Registered voters who didn’t vote, 15.5m.

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There’s all this talk of “the rise of the far right” “the rise in the split between left and right in Britain” and even “the rise of the SNP”; yet next to nobody ever votes for the far right and Labour were the only party to lose votes, plus more people didn’t vote than voted SNP in Scotland.

The Green Party gained more votes (339,078) in 2019 than the Conservatives did (304,402), and the Lib Dems gained ~3.2m, while Labour lost ~2.6m.

But despite any losses or gains from any party or the myth of the far right gaining traction; in the two most voted in elections since 1997 (2017+2019), non-voters still had the biggest impact on the outcome. Non-voters are the biggest political party in Britain!

Mostly because, as you say, most people are in the middle and they are sick to death of fringe nobodies who seem to have the biggest mouths, are most active on social media, and just can’t shut the fuck up with their minority crackpot ideals that nearly all of the rest of the country disagree with.

Frankly, if the usual non-voters had stayed at home in the referendum, they'd have spared us a world of pain.