Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Big misstep from Labour. Not quite as bad as JC agreeing to an election in 2019 but not great.
They should have tabled this before he resigned as leader, as you’d have had Tory MP’s not having a clue what to do! Start putting letters in, resignations starting but they’d then have to either support the Johnson government, which would have exposed them massively or not, and election ensues. You do wonder who’s running their election strategy and whether it’s a secret Tory!
I know Blair and Campbell are not well liked but they wouldn’t have missed that open goal.

 

[mosssideblue]

Big misstep from Labour. Not quite as bad as JC agreeing to an election in 2019 but not great.
They should have tabled this before he resigned as leader, as you’d have had Tory MP’s not having a clue what to do! Start putting letters in, resignations starting but they’d then have to either support the Johnson government, which would have exposed them massively. You do wonder who’s running their election strategy and whether it’s a secret Tory!
I know Blair and Campbell are not well liked but they wouldn’t have missed that open goal.

Agree, Labour have missed the best time to table the vote. They're left now to throwing as much mud at the Tories, hoping the next incumbent is no better, and the public remain pissed off till the next GE

 

[west didsblue]

Big misstep from Labour. Not quite as bad as JC agreeing to an election in 2019 but not great.
They should have tabled this before he resigned as leader, as you’d have had Tory MP’s not having a clue what to do! Start putting letters in, resignations starting but they’d then have to either support the Johnson government, which would have exposed them massively or not, and election ensues. You do wonder who’s running their election strategy and whether it’s a secret Tory!
I know Blair and Campbell are not well liked but they wouldn’t have missed that open goal.

Disagree.
If the motion was tabled before the Tories forced Johnson to agree to go, they would have ended up backing him and he’d be there for at least another year. By putting forward the motion now and seeing it blocked they’re showing the government up for the useless rabble that they are and have given the opposition another line of attack.

 

[west didsblue]

Agree, Labour have missed the best time to table the vote. They're left now to throwing as much mud at the Tories, hoping the next incumbent is no better, and the public remain pissed off till the next GE

The economy is in the shitter and nearly every candidate is pledging neo-liberal policies to make it worse for the poorer 80% of the population. Sunak is probably the only one slightly in touch with reality but there’s no way he’s improving things in the short term and he is nearly as responsible as Johnson for the mess we’re in now anyway. It may be appropriate PR for Labour to look like they want an early election but it’s doubtful they could improve things in the short term anyway so they’re better off winning an election in a couple of years when the economy is at its worst because there’s a better chance that they could make a tangible positive difference. Doesn’t help us in the short term but as a country we’re fucked anyway.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Also of the view there was no need to do this last week. Tories were ripping each other apart at the time. The aim was to get BJ out and they did.

It comes in now as they might as well, it's another difficulty for the tories to deal with and more ammo for Starmer at PMQs. But the big prize is already in the bag.

Labour are playing this well. The pressure applied by Starmer at PMQs over the last 6 months is what has brought BJ down. There will be more of it today. Tories will limp into summer recess having been absolutely battered.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I cannot see him not turning up as it will just add to the argument that he should go now.

Starmer has all the ammo to tear him (and the candidates) a new one, and I think he will today

In Starmers shoes I'd go in on the Lebedev national security issue too - link that to the candidates standing for his job and their silence in condemnation of the matter.

 

[mosssideblue]

In Starmers shoes I'd go in on the Lebedev national security issue too - link that to the candidates standing for his job and their silence in condemnation of the matter.

He has more ammo this week than permitted questions. Maybe he should give Ian Blackford a couple to air.

 

[Vic]

He has more ammo this week than permitted questions. Maybe he should give Ian Blackford a couple to air.

Then there's the Sunday Times rape tape.

"Mr Speaker, a newspaper this week released an audio tape of the Prime Minister explaining how he'd sought to get a job for a young Conservative party volunteer in the office of the London Mayor but had been told that was not possible because he'd had sex with her. Given the legal defintion of consent for sexual offences, why is he still here, rather than answering questions at Scotland Yard?"

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Disagree.
If the motion was tabled before the Tories forced Johnson to agree to go, they would have ended up backing him and he’d be there for at least another year. By putting forward the motion now and seeing it blocked they’re showing the government up for the useless rabble that they are and have given the opposition another line of attack.

As you say, they'd have backed him because the alternative is that the govt falls and there's a general election.

It got rejected this time because you can't have a VoNC in the prime minister, only in the govt. I assume that this follows from the fact that it is the govt that is elected, and not the PM.

There was no good way out for the govt on this.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

In Starmers shoes I'd go in on the Lebedev national security issue too - link that to the candidates standing for his job and their silence in condemnation of the matter.

I think that's right. Jab at the chaos in the Conservatives but don't ask about it.

Ask about Lebedev; note the lack of answer provided to the question.
Ask about the job tape (as @Vic points out); note the lack of answer.