maxwellblue
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Just read his posts, that will make your mind up for youI can't say that, he seems to like repeating himself over the same point, I don't know him to call him a bellend though.
Just read his posts, that will make your mind up for youI can't say that, he seems to like repeating himself over the same point, I don't know him to call him a bellend though.
I think that’s correct-there’s a distinct possibility his actions may be ‘judged’ to be excessive, not necessary and not proportionate.
It’s clearly an emotive issue though because there are mitigating factors as well as deciding whether he had an honest belief that his actions were reasonable. It’s a hugely complex case.
Even were he not to face criminal sanction he will likely still face misconduct proceedings and could lose his job.
That said it’s also reasonable to have no sympathy for the other parties. I hope they are swiftly brought to justice.
He had already discharged his Taser though.He had a taser in his arm when he booted him. If he felt he needed to he could have used that instead, maybe he didn't because he checked and was told that he'd already been tasered.
Just because he didn't go full Falling Down doesn't mean he exercised sufficient self-control.
Going back to the judgement in Rv Palmer it adds ‘..if the attack is over and no peril remains..force may be seen as punishment’
This is fundamental here-whilst in the heat of the moment and action taken in an instant (kick) may be self defence as ‘no time to consider the niceties’ but the subsequent stamp is a second deliberate act which is unlikely to fulfill this and sits more as retribution.
The reason I say this is a hugely complex case is because it was without doubt a savage repeated attack on police, and followed (undisclosed) other assaults immediate to this-so IF it were to result in criminal trial it will be incredibly difficult to assess.
Exactly that piece of shit scumbag got exactly what he deservedA cyst that appears within a couple of hours . I’m sure the medical experts can disprove that
I think that’s why this is a complex matter-self defence if that’s what we are looking at is very difficult to be clear cut-all of it is mere conjecture though.Its hard to legislate for this kind of thing, when does a defence stop being so. No peril is very much open to conjecture. The only way you can completely know the peril is over is if the attacker is dead and he is on his/her own.
If this can be argued in a court of law then that gives a police officer or anyone else free rein to do some serious damage.
The way I look at it is if cctv showed me arguing in a car park with someone and he throws a punch and i throw a few back and he goes down I'm walking away and not going to court. Even if he vangs his head and dies im still not going to prison However if whilst he's down I give him a kick in the head and a stamp I'm in big trouble.
I don't think my defence of he started it would save me.
Its hard to legislate for this kind of thing, when does a defence stop being so. No peril is very much open to conjecture. The only way you can completely know the peril is over is if the attacker is dead and he is on his/her own.
If this can be argued in a court of law then that gives a police officer or anyone else free rein to do some serious damage.
The way I look at it is if cctv showed me arguing in a car park with someone and he throws a punch and i throw a few back and he goes down I'm walking away and not going to court. Even if he vangs his head and dies im still not going to prison However if whilst he's down I give him a kick in the head and a stamp I'm in big trouble.
I don't think my defence of he started it would save me.
If it happened in 'murica, they'd be in wooden boxes by now.They got away lightly imho, imbeciles.