Anelka

[peoffrey]

I always thought Anelka was Jewish.

He was raised Christian but converted to Islam during his time with City and is now called Abdul-Salam Bilal. I've never liked him as a player and this kind of indignant behaviour doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I hope the FA throw the book at him.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Well either "Anne" or "Frank" is doing it the wrong way round and is therefore offending no-one.

 

[mcmanus]

I always thought Anelka was Jewish.

He was raised Christian but converted to Islam during his time with City and is now called Abdul-Salam Bilal. I've never liked him as a player and this kind of indignant behaviour doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I hope the FA throw the book at him.

I sometimes feel sorry for those who were brainwashed with religion doctrine from an early age and don't, even in adulthood, realise it's not real. However those that choose to believe a new load of bullshit when they are supposedly mentally developed ....... they scare me more.

 

[dazdon]

David Baddiels' take on this...he's an intelligent man but the dogma really is entrenched and his opinions on race relations are bizarre in my opinion.

When a person criticises the state of Israel it doesn't mean that that person is anti-semetic ii means that they are criticising Israel.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984</a>

 

[west didsblue]

David Baddiels' take on this...he's an intelligent man but the dogma really is entrenched and his opinions on race relations are bizarre in my opinion.

When a person criticises the state of Israel it doesn't mean that that person is anti-semetic ii means that they are criticising Israel.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984</a>

Not quite sure what you're talking about. The article you linked to doesn't even mention race relations or Israel.

West Bromwich Albion striker Nicolas Anelka is accused of making a controversial "quenelle" gesture, described as an inverted Nazi salute, after scoring against West Ham on 28 December.

Property website Zoopla said it would not renew its sponsorship of West Bromwich Albion, at the end of the season and another two sponsors are apparently considering pulling their sponsorship, the BBC's Newsnight has learned.

Meanwhile three fans have been charged over their alleged use of anti-semitic language at Tottenham matches.

Jewish comedian and writer David Baddiel told Newsnight's Stephen Smith he found Nicolas Anelka's justification for the gesture odd.

"Anelka seemed to be saying, 'no it's not anti-semitic, it's just a gesture in support of my friend the enormous anti-semite'," he said.

 

[dazdon]

His interview mentions Zionism.

Didn't you hear that part?

His reference to anyone being anti-zionism is borderline anti-semetic.

 

[west didsblue]

His interview mentions Zionism.

Didn't you hear that part?

His reference to anyone being anti-zionism is borderline anti-semetic.

That will be why I'm confused. I only read the article and didn't listen to the interview. I'll have a listen later.

 

[dazdon]

His interview mentions Zionism.

Didn't you hear that part?

His reference to anyone being anti-zionism is borderline anti-semetic.

That will be why I'm confused. I only read the article and didn't listen to the interview. I'll have a listen later.

As I said Baddiel really is an intelligent fella and I like him.

<Readjusts tin foil hat>

;-)

 

[peoffrey]

David Baddiels' take on this...he's an intelligent man but the dogma really is entrenched and his opinions on race relations are bizarre in my opinion.

When a person criticises the state of Israel it doesn't mean that that person is anti-semetic ii means that they are criticising Israel.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25835984</a>

David Baddiel isn't even Jewish. He's an Atheist of Jewish descent.

 

[west didsblue]

His interview mentions Zionism.

Didn't you hear that part?

His reference to anyone being anti-zionism is borderline anti-semetic.

That will be why I'm confused. I only read the article and didn't listen to the interview. I'll have a listen later.

As I said Baddiel really is an intelligent fella and I like him.

<Readjusts tin foil hat>

;-)

I listened to the interview and thought he came across very well and I don't recall any reference to Israel.

The term "zionism" can mean different things. It can simply mean support for Israel, however antisemites have long used the term in reference to an alleged conspiracy whereby Jews have control of governments, media and finance around the world. This conspiracy theory started in the early 20th century with a notorious document called "The protocols of the elders of zion" which was purported to have been written by influential Jews. In reality it was a Russian forgery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion This document was used by Adolf Hitler as "proof" that Jews were to blame for most of the world's ills and its contents have been used by antisemites on many occasions over the years.

The zionism Dieudonne refers to is related to these conspiracies and it appears to be this to which David Baddiel is referring rather than anything to do with Israel.

Anti-zionism, to Dieudonne, is being against the supposed Jewish control of the French government.
Anti-establishment, to Dieudonne, is being against the French government because he believes it is controlled by Jews.
In other words, in this context anti-zionism is antisemitism and this is who Anelka is supporting and what Baddiel is referring to.