Another shooting in america

[Skashion]

New York City just had their lowest murder total since statistics started being kept in 1963 with just 414 murders. Unfortunately they have also instituted some of the nation's toughest gun laws in recent years. Just imagine how many less murders and shootings they would have had if only more people had guns!

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9769940/New-York-murder-rate-at-lowest-rate-in-50-years.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... years.html</a>

Surprising that to be honest. I always thought it was pointless implementing gun laws state by state because guns would be easy to bring in from out of state and indeed I saw a stat not so long ago that said around two-thirds of guns seized by the police in New York are from out of state, but New York's dramatic drop in crime over the past twenty years certainly seems to indicate that a lot can be done at the state level as well.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Fair enough. What about assault, if someone went to punch you in the street do you feel you should be able to shoot them dead?

maybe

I find the quite bizarre. You would not hesitate in shooting someone who had (for example) climbed through a window to steel a TV but would think twice about shooting someone who is intent on doing you harm. I can't get my head around that

its hard to give a definitive answer over such a vague question. would i be prepared to defend my property against someone that might have broken in with the possible intent to do harm to me or mine. yep.
if i had a gun and felt in fear of my families safety would i shoot. dam right i would.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

maybe

I find the quite bizarre. You would not hesitate in shooting someone who had (for example) climbed through a window to steel a TV but would think twice about shooting someone who is intent on doing you harm. I can't get my head around that

its hard to give a definitive answer over such a vague question. would i be prepared to defend my property against someone that might have broken in with the possible intent to do harm to me or mine. yep.
if i had a gun and felt in fear of my families safety would i shot. dam right i would.

Whilst I think we would all wish to protect our property and our loved ones,I very much doubt that a court in this country would deem shooting an intruder to be 'reasonable force',unless the intruder was also armed with a gun,which in this country is pretty unlikely.
Clearly our more enlightened colonial friends have different ideas,which is why they have more gun-related deaths.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

I find the quite bizarre. You would not hesitate in shooting someone who had (for example) climbed through a window to steel a TV but would think twice about shooting someone who is intent on doing you harm. I can't get my head around that

its hard to give a definitive answer over such a vague question. would i be prepared to defend my property against someone that might have broken in with the possible intent to do harm to me or mine. yep.
if i had a gun and felt in fear of my families safety would i shot. dam right i would.

Whilst I think we would all wish to protect our property and our loved ones,I very much doubt that a court in this country would deem shooting an intruder to be 'reasonable force',unless the intruder was also armed with a gun,which in this country is pretty unlikely.
Clearly our more enlightened colonial friends have different ideas,which is why they have more gun-related deaths.

i think if someone broke into my house i`d be more concerned for my families safety than some scroat and there well being. whether i went to court or not would not be a consideration at the time.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

Destroying every gun in America - great in theory but impossible in reality. If America really tightened it's gun laws it would be left with a load of scumbags with guns, as opposed to a mix of scumbags and good honest people with guns.

'' Good honest people with guns '' .. until there wife leaves them, or they get burgled or have some other mental break down

Obama (only politician in America with some sense) should try and pass a strict control policy on guns just before he leaves his term, worth a try even if it fails.

Tell me thats a joke... Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the best hope in American politics. Obama is a massive hypocrite, and liar.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Destroying every gun in America - great in theory but impossible in reality. If America really tightened it's gun laws it would be left with a load of scumbags with guns, as opposed to a mix of scumbags and good honest people with guns.

'' Good honest people with guns '' .. until there wife leaves them, or they get burgled or have some other mental break down

Obama (only politician in America with some sense) should try and pass a strict control policy on guns just before he leaves his term, worth a try even if it fails.

Tell me thats a joke... Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the best hope in American politics. Obama is a massive hypocrite, and liar.

an elephant and donkey how very unamerican of you

 

[Blue Hefner]

Piers Morgan having a 'debate' with a very excitable 'pro' gun conspiracy theorist

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2258827/Piers-Morgan-Alex-Jones-explodes-CNN-interview-gun-control.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ntrol.html</a>

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Piers Morgan having a 'debate' with a very excitable 'pro' gun conspiracy theorist

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2258827/Piers-Morgan-Alex-Jones-explodes-CNN-interview-gun-control.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ntrol.html</a>

What an utter fucking bellend Alex Jones is.
When Piers Moron wins the argument hands-down,then you know his opponent is a ****.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Piers Morgan having a 'debate' with a very excitable 'pro' gun conspiracy theorist

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2258827/Piers-Morgan-Alex-Jones-explodes-CNN-interview-gun-control.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ntrol.html</a>

What an utter fucking bellend Alex Jones is.
When Piers Moron wins the argument hands-down,then you know his opponent is a ****.

I remember Jones from a few years ago when he was on a conspiracy programme about September 11th, he came across as bit extreme in his views but nothing like that. What ever argument he was trying to put across he didn't do it very well. I almost stopped listening at 'should we ban metal rods cos what happened in India?'

Its a very simplistic argument they put across about 'it not being the gun, its the brain'. Perhaps there are some aspects of that statement that are true but its the easy access that causes so much harm.

i posted earlier in this thread about a women who shot an (unarmed) intruder, now people may agree with that but within 5 minutes someone had posted how a 2yr old had shot himself in the head cos a gun was in the house

 

[Unknown_Genius]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbBM4DG9V0[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAnKOMex_eQ[/youtube]

Here it is, in its entirety.

Jones comes off as a raving idiot. All he needs to do is bring up Switzerland, then say maybe there are so many gun deaths as well as suicides because of SRRI medications, and go through the stats without yelling. Japan and Switzerland, one with guns, one without, and no SRRIs and they have low crime rates. Morgan brings up 9/11, fantastic, great chance for him to poison that well too. Alex tripped over himself answering that one, and could only mutter "criminal elements". Poor answer, now anyone associated with 9/11 truth is going to be connected with him. Jones has ruined himself. This is even worse than this infamous "Arabs own Hollywood" quote. He's given all pro 2nd Amendment supporters a bad name.