Antoine Griezmann

I was commenting on another thread this morning why is it nobody at UEFA appears to be interested in Barcelona’s (or Real Madrid’s) transfer dealings ?

It appears that Barca have now agreed to pay the release fee for Griezmann. Just another 100m plus.

Where exactly do they get their money from ?
 
FCBarca said:
MD are unreliable for certain things but when it comes to refuting transfer deals, they have yet to be wrong in my experience. They say nothing has been agreed with Griezmann and that the player has simply put himself on the market - even saying PSG have been the first to react

More worryingly, for me, they say De Ligt may have had his head turned by Liverpool
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that would not be a good thing
 
FCBarca said:
MD are unreliable for certain things but when it comes to refuting transfer deals, they have yet to be wrong in my experience. They say nothing has been agreed with Griezmann and that the player has simply put himself on the market - even saying PSG have been the first to react

More worryingly, for me, they say De Ligt may have had his head turned by Liverpool
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Perhaps he wants to be just like James Milner and go to a team where he actually has the chance to win some silverware !
 
OntarioBlue said:
I was commenting on another thread this morning why is it nobody at UEFA appears to be interested in Barcelona’s (or Real Madrid’s) transfer dealings ?

It appears that Barca have now agreed to pay the release fee for Griezmann. Just another 100m plus.

Where exactly do they get their money from ?
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From selling players.
Barcelona net spend is something like 50-60m £ per year.
We spend waaaay more than that.
 
OntarioBlue said:
Then i think you have to look at the coaching. Coutinho was a brilliant player at Liverpool and before he left for Barcelona I was really hoping he would join us.

You don’t go from brilliant to terrible overnight. The old adage “form is temporary, class is permanent” is as true here as it as ever been and I have no doubt that in the right team, be it Barca under a different coach or another team, he will be brilliant again.
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He’s an odd case. He’s talented of course. And yet Liverpool got better after he left. As, likely, will Barcelona.
 
Afterthefact said:
He’s an odd case. He’s talented of course. And yet Liverpool got better after he left. As, likely, will Barcelona.
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Good point. Similar to Hazard and Chelsea. Great player in not a great team. If they sell him for 100m or so, presumably they will spend that strengthening the squad and be better for it.
 
OntarioBlue said:
Good point. Similar to Hazard and Chelsea. Great player in not a great team. If they sell him for 100m or so, presumably they will spend that strengthening the squad and be better for it.
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Not necessarily. Liverpool were still good going forward and getting goals. They used the money (as well as other money) to cover some of their deficiencies with a new keeper, defender and holding midfielder. Take your choice of what part of the money went where. Chelsea's main problem is in the final 3rd and not scoring enough goals. Hazard individually got Chelsea so many points on his own. They will be worse off if they don't get someone as good as him.
 
OntarioBlue said:
Then i think you have to look at the coaching. Coutinho was a brilliant player at Liverpool and before he left for Barcelona I was really hoping he would join us.

You don’t go from brilliant to terrible overnight. The old adage “form is temporary, class is permanent” is as true here as it as ever been and I have no doubt that in the right team, be it Barca under a different coach or another team, he will be brilliant again.
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Coaching at Barcelona has been an issue since Pep but it has nothing to do with Phil’s consistently ineffective play, irrespective of his position. Positions that he was deployed similarly in at Liverpool - apart from as a #10.

He strikes me as mentally fragile and the move was simply too big for him. In 18 months I saw a one trick pony
 
OntarioBlue said:
outinho was a brilliant player at Liverpool
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He really, really wasn't.

He was Steven Ireland. Nothing more.

Surrounded by top class players(Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge in his best ever season), he was left unmarked for large chunks of games and would occasionally score a screamer. That was it.

NO different to Ireland when we had Robinho/SWP/Elano etc.

Absolutely terrible player and Liverpool must have been laughing all the way to the bank getting that fee.
 
OntarioBlue said:
Then i think you have to look at the coaching. Coutinho was a brilliant player at Liverpool and before he left for Barcelona I was really hoping he would join us.

You don’t go from brilliant to terrible overnight. The old adage “form is temporary, class is permanent” is as true here as it as ever been and I have no doubt that in the right team, be it Barca under a different coach or another team, he will be brilliant again.
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Coutinho isn't that great of a player. His main skill is curling the ball into the corner from the left side of the box. Looks great in highlight reels as he does it 5-10 times a season.

Apart from that, he's slightly above average on creating and average in all other areas (work rate, pressing, positioning etc)
 
FCBarca said:
I'd be happy if Rodgers would take him on loan at Leicester just to get his wages off the books and let Premiership clubs chase him next season when his stock has recovered

Gomes will go between 25-40M, Cillessen for 25M, Rafinha 25-35M, Rakitic 50-60M, Malcom 35-45M
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Those are hopeful numbers.


Rakitic: 15 - 20 million
Malcolm: 25 - 35 mil
Gomez: 20 - 30 million
Rafihna 20 - 25 million
Cillessen: 10 -15 million

That said, I expect you'd end up loaning a few of them out. Too many often confuse how player values are determined. They think it's a function of just talent. It isn't.

Talent + Youth + Current team are desperate to keep him + acquiring team are desperate to have him = high fees.

Any of the above variable missing and you have to hope you are dealing with an idiot or the fees will be less. At present, variable 3 is missing for all the players you've listed, and for Rakitic so is variable 1.

I think your numbers are hopeful at best. If you get anything near 100 million for those guys, you've done well.
 
OntarioBlue said:
Then i think you have to look at the coaching. Coutinho was a brilliant player at Liverpool and before he left for Barcelona I was really hoping he would join us.

You don’t go from brilliant to terrible overnight. The old adage “form is temporary, class is permanent” is as true here as it as ever been and I have no doubt that in the right team, be it Barca under a different coach or another team, he will be brilliant again.
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It's easier to be a brilliant playr when the team is built around you. The question is always whether you can be a quality player when the squad isn't.

I didn't think he'll be good here either for that reason.
 
Dax777 said:
Those are hopeful numbers.


Rakitic: 15 - 20 million
Malcolm: 25 - 35 mil
Gomes: 20 - 30 million
Rafihna 20 - 25 million
Cillessen: 10 -15 million
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Odd because 3 of those players I listed fall in the same ranges you proposed and are basically coming from market value estimators - at the end of the day, of course, the market dictates

Cillessen will never be sold for 10-15 million when he was bought last season for 15m (Including variables) and has improved his market value.

Rakitic is even now currently rated in the market at 50-60m

Coutinho & Umtiti should fetch over 100m combined, at a minimum

As I have said, the net transfer issue for Barcelona will not be a problem - the board has been better in this regard. It's the wage bill, particularly if Griezmann does not take a massive paycut
 
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