Are there any bona fide world class players in a bottom 10 PL team right now?

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Talk Shite wound me up last week (I know, I know) when Goldstein and Bent were talking about "who sits at the top table with Messi and Ronaldo" in terms of goal scorers during their era.
The pair of them reeled off name after name (from Aguero, Haaland, Lewendowski, Ibramovich, Rooney, Kane, Kloser and more all saying "yeah he's at the the top table".
I'm screaming mad eyed at the car radio "how many players are at the top table?"
There was no limit. The top table was endless.
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It just used to be the main man, influencing and his 12 followers
 
I don't know about would class but Neto is easily capable of playing for a much better teams, seems to be quite injury prone though.

Not world class per se, but ban aside, Ivan Toney could do a job in a better team. 20 league goals last season.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
So if Haaland just played for Molde forever and Norway never won anything he isn’t a world class footballer, despite being the exactly same player ?
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How would he be the same player if he is scoring goals in the Norway League...
Name me any sportsman who is true world class and has not reached the top of his trade by winning major honours.. don’t mean very very good ones I mean true proper without doubt world class and you can include any top level sports like Golf.. Tennis.. Boxing etc..
 
If the exact same players as Haaland and Rodri was playing for clubs in the bottom 10 then apparently for some they would not be considered World Class. seems silly to me
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Talk Shite wound me up last week (I know, I know) when Goldstein and Bent were talking about "who sits at the top table with Messi and Ronaldo" in terms of goal scorers during their era.
The pair of them reeled off name after name (from Aguero, Haaland, Lewendowski, Ibramovich, Rooney, Kane, Kloser and more all saying "yeah he's at the the top table".
I'm screaming mad eyed at the car radio "how many players are at the top table?"
There was no limit. The top table was endless.
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Rooney? As a goalscorer? They must be talking shite indeed.

He only hit over 20 goals league twice in his career. He usually got around 12-15 league goals a season. Haaland only needs 7 more and hes hit over 20 Premier League goals a season twice, same as Rooney, and he's in november of his second season. Kane scored over 20 in the league in four different seasons, and over 30 in two others. Vardy was more prolific than Rooney in the premier league too, when you look at what he scored per season.

He was England's top scorer because of all the friendlies against Andorra etc but Harry Kane soon seen his record off in half the time. I know he is the rags top scorer but that's a lot to do with time he was there

Not saying he wasnt a very good footballer, but looking at the amount he used to score per season, you can't put him alongside Kane, Haaland, Lewendowski etc when it comes to goal scoring.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
If the exact same players as Haaland and Rodri was playing for clubs in the bottom 10 then apparently for some they would not be considered World Class. seems silly to me
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Yes but you’ve mentioned Bowen and WC in the same sentence so you are silly.
 
Phil1 said:
Yes but you’ve mentioned Bowen and WC in the same sentence so you are silly.
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At this very moment, I'd like to know what more he can do to be considered that.

seems you have to play for a glam top 2 club in PL or Spain to only be considered.


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BlueHammer85 said:
If the exact same players as Haaland and Rodri was playing for clubs in the bottom 10 then apparently for some they would not be considered World Class. seems silly to me
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I can see both viewpoints here and fully understand what you are saying.

But I do think when you consider whether a players/sportsmen is performing to the highest level showing those attributes against the best players on the biggest stages is a pretty important measurement.

It would be difficult to gauge how good Haaland is for example, if he was just banging in the goals against lesser keepers and players but watching him achieve this against the worlds best defenders and teams is definitely an important barometer.

I don't agree you necessarily have to have won the trophies though. Shearer is an example of a player who performed at the highest level, but won very little, which was more due to the players alongside him.

Ive not read all the thread but I think if the discussion still centres around Paqueta I was not massively keen on us signing him in the summer, but since our interest Ive paid more attention and I was probably wrong coming to that conclusion.

Im not being facetious here, and I know they are different players, but do you think he is having a much better season than James Maddison and would you consider him world class?

For the record I think to be world class you have to be really in the top 4/5 players in your position in the world.

I would say at City Rodri does not have an equal as DM, KDB is one of the top three attacking midfielders and Haaland falls in that bracket along with the likes of Kane, Salah, Mbappe. Arguments could also be made for others but I would not say as clean cut as those three.
 
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Phil1 said:
Oh, you were serious? Haha!
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not particularly, I know he doesn't fit that category but he's a fantastic player and been on form for a long time now and there's talk of Liverpool going for him to replace Salah... so not totally laughable.

However, only Hammer I would consider WC is Paqueta , Kudos has alot of potential but very early days.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
If the exact same players as Haaland and Rodri was playing for clubs in the bottom 10 then apparently for some they would not be considered World Class. seems silly to me
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So if he was playing for a bottom 10 club and each season the highest profile or biggest game he played was playing at Anfield.. Old Trafford.. Ettihad or Emirates or maybe the quarter finals of the F.A Cup.. how on earth can you say he is on the same world class level as a player playing champions league finals or Premier League Championship run in games.
World class is a level not a performance and bottom 10 clubs will never provide the platform for greatness..
Shearer and Gerrard were not World class in my book and neither was Le Tissier.. although all fantastic players.
 
Tom Ford said:
So if he was playing for a bottom 10 club and each season the highest profile or biggest game he played was playing at Anfield.. Old Trafford.. Ettihad or Emirates or maybe the quarter finals of the F.A Cup.. how on earth can you say he is on the same world class level as a player playing champions league finals or Premier League Championship run in games.
World class is a level not a performance and bottom 10 clubs will never provide the platform for greatness..
Shearer and Gerrard were not World class in my book and neither was Le Tissier.. although all fantastic players.
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Gerrard most certainly was.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Gerrard most certainly was.
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Gerrard was a fantastic player. One major trophy in his career.. same as Shearer... so you would put him ar World Class level same as Xavi.. Inniesta both won about 4 Champions Leagues about 6 Spanish titles oh and the little matter of a World Cup..

I will tell you a player who was better than Gerrard and who was also not World Class... Gazza... biggest game he played in was a Rome Derby and about 20 mins of an F.A.Cup final..
Le Tissier biggest games were relagation battles..
 
Tom Ford said:
So if he was playing for a bottom 10 club and each season the highest profile or biggest game he played was playing at Anfield.. Old Trafford.. Ettihad or Emirates or maybe the quarter finals of the F.A Cup.. how on earth can you say he is on the same world class level as a player playing champions league finals or Premier League Championship run in games.
World class is a level not a performance and bottom 10 clubs will never provide the platform for greatness..
Shearer and Gerrard were not World class in my book and neither was Le Tissier.. although all fantastic players.
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Shearer was clearly one of the best strikers on the planet. Probably only behind Ronaldo as the world’s best number 9 at his peak. Also finished top scorer in a major international tournament on top of all his domestic accolades.
 
HelloCity said:
Shearer was clearly one of the best strikers on the planet. Probably only behind Ronaldo as the world’s best number 9 at his peak. Also finished top scorer in a major international tournament on top of all his domestic accolades.
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The world class debate is a cracking one as so many people have different criteria..
The most important thing has to be what you win in the game of sport because that recognises you have reached the top of your sport a trophy or a medal rewards that so if you don’t have one or you only have one or two you can’t be put on the same level as players who have five.. seven or ten major honours.
Like I say Gazza was a genius of a player a deffo fav of mine but he couldn’t be compared to other midfielders like Zidane or Rikjaard when the biggest game he played was a Rome Derby.. same with Shearer as good as he was how can anybody say he was on the same level as Van Basten.. Raul or Brazilian Ronaldo who all scored goals in Champions League final wins and Won World Cups..
 
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