Argument re: United and their treatment of Munich survivors

[salfordpaul]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Albert scanlons son was my apprentice a few years back and I can confirm he was treated very shabbily by the club, he died a poor man and had to buy tickets for games at old trafford. For the big munich remembers game when cantona was paid a fortune to play he was given 4 free tickets but had to buy extra ones for his family at full price.

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

It's well documented. Roger Byrne's family continued to live in their club house at a peppercorn rent but the badly injured Johnny Berry and Jackie Blanchflower (neither of whom played again) were evicted from club houses and Berry was fired by letter. Albert Scanlon was badly affected by the disaster and played on for a while before being transferred to Newcastle. Busby told him to get in touch if he ever fell on hard times but when he did and tried to speak to him Busby blanked him. Ray Wood's wife also complained about the bad treatment he received post-Munich.

I'll try to dig out a link and post it later.

Edit: I see bluwes has already posted a link.

Let's not forget too what happened with the 40th anniversary benefit match for the families in 1998. Cantona got some of his mates to play but claimed, and received, £90,000 in 'expenses'. Aside from the tight arsed claim from multi-millionaire Cantona you'd think that a club as rich as the rags would cough up out of their own funds but no, they paid Cantona's claim out of the benefit money meant for the families. The rags have done some mean spirited and shithouse things over the years but for sheer c*ntishness this takes some beating.

I can verify this, i worked with Jackie Blanchflowers son Andrew for 17 years and he was often scathing about the way the Munich survivors were treated, the eviction stories are indeed true

IIRC, Jackie Blanchflower used to run a pub in Millbrook, Huddersfield Road, Stalybridge in the 60's......

 

[scotty123]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

It's well documented. Roger Byrne's family continued to live in their club house at a peppercorn rent but the badly injured Johnny Berry and Jackie Blanchflower (neither of whom played again) were evicted from club houses and Berry was fired by letter. Albert Scanlon was badly affected by the disaster and played on for a while before being transferred to Newcastle. Busby told him to get in touch if he ever fell on hard times but when he did and tried to speak to him Busby blanked him. Ray Wood's wife also complained about the bad treatment he received post-Munich.

I'll try to dig out a link and post it later.

Edit: I see bluwes has already posted a link.

Let's not forget too what happened with the 40th anniversary benefit match for the families in 1998. Cantona got some of his mates to play but claimed, and received, £90,000 in 'expenses'. Aside from the tight arsed claim from multi-millionaire Cantona you'd think that a club as rich as the rags would cough up out of their own funds but no, they paid Cantona's claim out of the benefit money meant for the families. The rags have done some mean spirited and shithouse things over the years but for sheer c*ntishness this takes some beating.

I can verify this, i worked with Jackie Blanchflowers son Andrew for 17 years and he was often scathing about the way the Munich survivors were treated, the eviction stories are indeed true

IIRC, Jackie Blanchflower used to run a pub in Millbrook, Huddersfield Road, Stalybridge in the 60's......

I worked with his son Andrew for 17 years in Stalybridge, he is still a printer at the same place

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

"online reports and topics on Red Cafe": you clearly have too much time on your hands. Can I make a really novel suggestion? Quit the obsession with "them"; quit the infantile tit-for-tat point scoring and concentrate on what every City fan should: here's a clue...it begins with C and ends with Y. And it plays at The Etihad.

The fact is that most rags, very probably including yourself, know absolutely nothing about the appalling treatment of the Munich survivors and families because it's been carefully airbrushed out of mainstream media accounts (as well of course as official club histories) while your disgusting club has been milking the tragedy for commercial gain ever since.

If you're talking obsession what about the clock banner your club approved to hang from the Stretford End for many years? Or the infantile nursery rhymes you lot sing about City? All of this obsessive shit went on even when the rags were winning everything and City was playing in the 3rd level of English football. City weren't even remotely a rival of the rags at that time and yet you lot still did it. Now that's what I call obsessed.

Oh by the way, have you ever heard of John Henry Davies and James W. Gibson? Because I've yet to meet a rag who has.

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

 

[laserblue]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

"online reports and topics on Red Cafe": you clearly have too much time on your hands. Can I make a really novel suggestion? Quit the obsession with "them"; quit the infantile tit-for-tat point scoring and concentrate on what every City fan should: here's a clue...it begins with C and ends with Y. And it plays at The Etihad.

The fact is that most rags, very probably including yourself, know absolutely nothing about the appalling treatment of the Munich survivors and families because it's been carefully airbrushed out of mainstream media accounts (as well of course as official club histories) while your disgusting club has been milking the tragedy for commercial gain ever since.

If you're talking obsession what about the clock banner your club approved to hang from the Stretford End for many years? Or the infantile nursery rhymes you lot sing about City? All of this obsessive shit went on even when the rags were winning everything and City was playing in the 3rd level of English football. City weren't even remotely a rival of the rags at that time and yet you lot still did it. Now that's what I call obsessed.

Oh by the way, have you ever heard of John Henry Davies and James W. Gibson? Because I've yet to meet a rag who has.

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

Far more City fans know about Davies and Gibson than United fans do because City fans take a wider interest in the football history of the area. Watching your team (whichever it is) play is one thing but without a grounding or an interest in the wider game or its history it's like having tunnel vision. The thread was started by a Blue who wanted facts on the rags' treatment of Munich survivors to put to a gobby know nothing rag who won't have any of it. You keep insisting you're a Blue but you've got a funny way of showing it.

 

[scotty123]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

The fact is that most rags, very probably including yourself, know absolutely nothing about the appalling treatment of the Munich survivors and families because it's been carefully airbrushed out of mainstream media accounts (as well of course as official club histories) while your disgusting club has been milking the tragedy for commercial gain ever since.

If you're talking obsession what about the clock banner your club approved to hang from the Stretford End for many years? Or the infantile nursery rhymes you lot sing about City? All of this obsessive shit went on even when the rags were winning everything and City was playing in the 3rd level of English football. City weren't even remotely a rival of the rags at that time and yet you lot still did it. Now that's what I call obsessed.

Oh by the way, have you ever heard of John Henry Davies and James W. Gibson? Because I've yet to meet a rag who has.

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

Far more City fans know about Davies and Gibson than United fans do because City fans take a wider interest in the football history of the area. Watching your team (whichever it is) play is one thing but without a grounding or an interest in the wider game or its history it's like having tunnel vision. The thread was started by a Blue who wanted facts on the rags' treatment of Munich survivors to put to a gobby know nothing rag who won't have any of it. You keep insisting you're a Blue but you've got a funny way of showing it.

Correct, a Blue has asked for information, and as a fellow Blue who can help him out i provided it, its what we do, well said

 

[stony]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

Tbh, you just sound like a ****.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Wondering if anyone can help..

I have often been told by a staunch blue in his 70's that post the Munich air disaster United were guilty of removing perished player's families along with players who were not physically or mentally fit enough to carry on playing from their club owned housing.

Now I doubt any club would be guilty of such behaviour, but if any club could it would be them.

I am currently arguing with a rag that United are guilty of such disgusting behaviour and he's calling bullshit. Bare in mind this rag considers the campus to be bullshit, and what players has it produced, despite not even being open yet. He also things City turfed business and families out of their homes to build some sports pitches..He is a true bell end..

Now I don't and never would beat a rag with the Munich stick as it was a terrible and horrifying tragedy but their conduct post Munich I would certainly bring up.

I know their own fans vandalised the AIG poster commemorating the Munich disaster as their own fans were disgusted that United would use the tragedy as an opportunity to sell advertising space, again he denies this even though there are online reports and topics on Rag Cafe..

Does anyone have any evidence of this or is it just an old wives tale so to speak?

dont know about evidence but it certainly mentioned as fact in Gary James book "Manchester a football history". I have to assume that as that was published a number of years ago and united havent sued or even objected, that Gary has the evidence to back it up.

only know Gary from Twitter but he strikes me as the furthest thing from a bullshitter so he does.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

"online reports and topics on Red Cafe": you clearly have too much time on your hands. Can I make a really novel suggestion? Quit the obsession with "them"; quit the infantile tit-for-tat point scoring and concentrate on what every City fan should: here's a clue...it begins with C and ends with Y. And it plays at The Etihad.

So says a rag on a City forum................

Fucking idiot.

on two levels, cause it begins with m and ends with y cause its MANCHESTER City, you rag d1ckhead

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

Tbh, you just sound like a ****.

Stony, Laserblue - all this fucking waffle about helping a blue who wants to put down a rag about how U****d treated Munich victims - it's fucking laughable. Seriously, look at the original post, It's like some ten yr old kid saying "he said this, but I know this. And it happened sixty years ago so nah nah nah nah, United aren't all they're made out to be." Well. guess what, Father Christmas doesn't exist. I've been to over 80 grounds watching City, home and away, done my time; seen some absolute shite. And worse. And I used to cling on to "we're the team from Manchester, we'd never have tourists etc" - I love to see United fail. Get great pleasure from it. But, trying to go back in time, digging for the odd nugget that U****d weren't bona-fide mancunians like all things City - just makes you / us look small time.