Argument re: United and their treatment of Munich survivors

[TCIB]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

I've never heard of either. Why? Because, unlike you, with your mustard blue credentials, I spend my match days watching City. And have done since 1974. And, unlike you, and several others on this thread, I don't need to waffle on like a five yr old kid about how much I despise them and how unfair the coverage of them is - babbling on about the way they treated the Munich victims -it's desperate stuff. Makes you look obsessed, The fact you quote "John Henry James blah blah blah" - quite clearly you've spent a considerate time looking this up - why? Let the team do the talking on the pitch. The only place that matters.

Tbh, you just sound like a ****.

Stony, Laserblue - all this fucking waffle about helping a blue who wants to put down a rag about how U****d treated Munich victims - it's fucking laughable. Seriously, look at the original post, It's like some ten yr old kid saying "he said this, but I know this. And it happened sixty years ago so nah nah nah nah, United aren't all they're made out to be." Well. guess what, Father Christmas doesn't exist. I've been to over 80 grounds watching City, home and away, done my time; seen some absolute shite. And worse. And I used to cling on to "we're the team from Manchester, we'd never have tourists etc" - I love to see United fail. Get great pleasure from it. But, trying to go back in time, digging for the odd nugget that U****d weren't bona-fide mancunians like all things City - just makes you / us look small time.

I bet xmas at your house is a bag of laughs eh :)

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Tbh, you just sound like a ****.

Stony, Laserblue - all this fucking waffle about helping a blue who wants to put down a rag about how U****d treated Munich victims - it's fucking laughable. Seriously, look at the original post, It's like some ten yr old kid saying "he said this, but I know this. And it happened sixty years ago so nah nah nah nah, United aren't all they're made out to be." Well. guess what, Father Christmas doesn't exist. I've been to over 80 grounds watching City, home and away, done my time; seen some absolute shite. And worse. And I used to cling on to "we're the team from Manchester, we'd never have tourists etc" - I love to see United fail. Get great pleasure from it. But, trying to go back in time, digging for the odd nugget that U****d weren't bona-fide mancunians like all things City - just makes you / us look small time.

I bet xmas at your house is a bag of laughs eh :)

It's a bag of City at my house. Seriously, I fucking hate them. But I know that all this nit-picking about who did what, who said what, aren't we on the moral high ground; look at our postcode; look at the tourists packing out there place; look at how we're pure Mancunian stock - you know, I know, it's all bollocks. All the talking takes place on the pitch. I couldn't give two fucks if Albert Scanlon got fleeced in the '50s for his rent. City are no better/worse - we've treated some of our past players equally shabbily. All the talk of getting one over a mate 'cos you've discovered U****d pulled the plug on someone's gaff - small time. Leave it. Let Vinny et al do the talking.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Stony, Laserblue - all this fucking waffle about helping a blue who wants to put down a rag about how U****d treated Munich victims - it's fucking laughable. Seriously, look at the original post, It's like some ten yr old kid saying "he said this, but I know this. And it happened sixty years ago so nah nah nah nah, United aren't all they're made out to be." Well. guess what, Father Christmas doesn't exist. I've been to over 80 grounds watching City, home and away, done my time; seen some absolute shite. And worse. And I used to cling on to "we're the team from Manchester, we'd never have tourists etc" - I love to see United fail. Get great pleasure from it. But, trying to go back in time, digging for the odd nugget that U****d weren't bona-fide mancunians like all things City - just makes you / us look small time.

I bet xmas at your house is a bag of laughs eh :)

It's a bag of City at my house. Seriously, I fucking hate them. But I know that all this nit-picking about who did what, who said what, aren't we on the moral high ground; look at our postcode; look at the tourists packing out there place; look at how we're pure Mancunian stock - you know, I know, it's all bollocks. All the talking takes place on the pitch. I couldn't give two fucks if Albert Scanlon got fleeced in the '50s for his rent. City are no better/worse - we've treated some of our past players equally shabbily. All the talk of getting one over a mate 'cos you've discovered U****d pulled the plug on someone's gaff - small time. Leave it. Let Vinny et al do the talking.

If you don't care don't reply, both the OP and his rag mate care enough to have the discussion. Let them have it out. It doesn't affect you either way and it certainly isn't small time when its fans from both clubs discussing the past.

 

[johnnytapia]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

I bet xmas at your house is a bag of laughs eh :)

It's a bag of City at my house. Seriously, I fucking hate them. But I know that all this nit-picking about who did what, who said what, aren't we on the moral high ground; look at our postcode; look at the tourists packing out there place; look at how we're pure Mancunian stock - you know, I know, it's all bollocks. All the talking takes place on the pitch. I couldn't give two fucks if Albert Scanlon got fleeced in the '50s for his rent. City are no better/worse - we've treated some of our past players equally shabbily. All the talk of getting one over a mate 'cos you've discovered U****d pulled the plug on someone's gaff - small time. Leave it. Let Vinny et al do the talking.

If you don't care don't reply, both the OP and his rag mate care enough to have the discussion. Let them have it out. It doesn't affect you either way and it certainly isn't small time when its fans from both clubs discussing the past.

The OP is clearly hanging on to something that he thinks will give him/City the moral high ground. I may not care - but, that doesn't mean I can't reply. Don't conflate lack of interest in the subject with lack of comment about the subject.

My point remains: us bleating on about how United mis-treated past players makes us look like we're seeking a port in a storm. Yes, they didn't do well by their old-timers. No, it doesn't marry to the great and glorious past depicted by nearly everyone. But by coming on to a website and asking/pleading for evidence that they were somehow, not quite the spiffing old boys the press claim them to be - in my opinion (yep, I'm allowed one) looks small time. We've bigger fish to fry.

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

It's a bag of City at my house. Seriously, I fucking hate them. But I know that all this nit-picking about who did what, who said what, aren't we on the moral high ground; look at our postcode; look at the tourists packing out there place; look at how we're pure Mancunian stock - you know, I know, it's all bollocks. All the talking takes place on the pitch. I couldn't give two fucks if Albert Scanlon got fleeced in the '50s for his rent. City are no better/worse - we've treated some of our past players equally shabbily. All the talk of getting one over a mate 'cos you've discovered U****d pulled the plug on someone's gaff - small time. Leave it. Let Vinny et al do the talking.

If you don't care don't reply, both the OP and his rag mate care enough to have the discussion. Let them have it out. It doesn't affect you either way and it certainly isn't small time when its fans from both clubs discussing the past.

The OP is clearly hanging on to something that he thinks will give him/City the moral high ground. I may not care - but, that doesn't mean I can't reply. Don't conflate lack of interest in the subject with lack of comment about the subject.

My point remains: us bleating on about how United mis-treated past players makes us look like we're seeking a port in a storm. Yes, they didn't do well by their old-timers. No, it doesn't marry to the great and glorious past depicted by nearly everyone. But by coming on to a website and asking/pleading for evidence that they were somehow, not quite the spiffing old boys the press claim them to be - in my opinion (yep, I'm allowed one) looks small time. We've bigger fish to fry.

you do indeed, your teams not that great

 

[Bill]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Stony, Laserblue - all this fucking waffle about helping a blue who wants to put down a rag about how U****d treated Munich victims - it's fucking laughable. Seriously, look at the original post, It's like some ten yr old kid saying "he said this, but I know this. And it happened sixty years ago so nah nah nah nah, United aren't all they're made out to be." Well. guess what, Father Christmas doesn't exist. I've been to over 80 grounds watching City, home and away, done my time; seen some absolute shite. And worse. And I used to cling on to "we're the team from Manchester, we'd never have tourists etc" - I love to see United fail. Get great pleasure from it. But, trying to go back in time, digging for the odd nugget that U****d weren't bona-fide mancunians like all things City - just makes you / us look small time.

I bet xmas at your house is a bag of laughs eh :)

It's a bag of City at my house. Seriously, I fucking hate them. But I know that all this nit-picking about who did what, who said what, aren't we on the moral high ground; look at our postcode; look at the tourists packing out there place; look at how we're pure Mancunian stock - you know, I know, it's all bollocks. All the talking takes place on the pitch. I couldn't give two fucks if Albert Scanlon got fleeced in the '50s for his rent. City are no better/worse - we've treated some of our past players equally shabbily. All the talk of getting one over a mate 'cos you've discovered U****d pulled the plug on someone's gaff - small time. Leave it. Let Vinny et al do the talking.

I'm sure we have treated the odd player poorly at times in our history, difference is that we never have and never would cash in commercially which the rags have done.

They brush it under the carpet when it suits but then milk it for all its worth when it suits.

Absolute scum.

Oh and if you're a blue you are a fucking embarrassment. You make pidgenio look like Ricky hatton.

 

[Gary James]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Wondering if anyone can help..

I have often been told by a staunch blue in his 70's that post the Munich air disaster United were guilty of removing perished player's families along with players who were not physically or mentally fit enough to carry on playing from their club owned housing.

Now I doubt any club would be guilty of such behaviour, but if any club could it would be them.

I am currently arguing with a rag that United are guilty of such disgusting behaviour and he's calling bullshit. ...

Does anyone have any evidence of this or is it just an old wives tale so to speak?

dont know about evidence but it certainly mentioned as fact in Gary James book "Manchester a football history". I have to assume that as that was published a number of years ago and united havent sued or even objected, that Gary has the evidence to back it up.

only know Gary from Twitter but he strikes me as the furthest thing from a bullshitter so he does.

Best thing to do when in doubt about anything like this is get hold of my book "Manchester A Football History" (borrow it from a library or a friend) and show him the evidence. Also worth reading "A Strange Kind of Glory" (not written by me, written by Eamon Dunphy) - that's written from a Red perspective and therefore might be believed by a Utd fan more. I will add that my book is the full history of Manc football and so covers a lot on relationships between City & Utd and also talks about how the clubs 'looked after' each other and damaged football for other aspiring clubs, alongside positives and negatives for both clubs.

 

[malg]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

I used to wonder why Blues got so excited by it all, as the Rags I met whilst in the Army were 100% plastics, and got all their Rag info from the papers and watching MOTD. Any match-going football fan knows that MOTD highlights are nonsense.

However, having left the mob I'm now working in Macclesfield, and the place is heaving with Rags. I did think that I'd meet some decent ones (some posters on here have detailed 'decent' Rags), but apart from one bloke they are a bunch of self deluded fucktards. I always said that they couldn't take criticism of their own club, but I thought this was just the plastics in the Army, but this lot actually take it to another level. Recent examples are the Rooney kick - wasn't a sending off and is part and parcel of his game (I mentioned the media coverage of Balotelli's kick out at Parker, but was told that was different as it was 'sly' - I fucking kid you not). Then they said Schmeichel and Hughes had ruined their Rag legacy due to the City connection (absolutely true), and after sitting arguing with them about this bullshit I said 'Dennis Law's a **** as well then' - stunned silence. Munich hasn't come up yet, but it will, and I'm sure they've swallowed the media bullshit 100%.

The reason I will absolutely not let any of it go is because the fucktards believe every single word they say. To be honest, I'm stunned at some of the bullshit, and even the plastics in the Army wouldn't argue some of it. They need to be picked up on it and corrected, as even if they persist in their bullshit, they will have a little nagging doubt in the back of their mind, and maybe, just maybe, they'll read a little further and get to know the truth. They'll still follow their team, but at least one of them might just start to take a bit of the criticism on board. To be frank, some of the knobs I work with are so blinded that it'll probably never happen (the only one who's ok is the only match-going one - probably tells its own story).

So no it's not childish, it's football and passion. The only thing I'd say to those who say it's childish to follow this route is that you probably don't meet the rags I now work with on a daily basis -their arrogance is a fucking poison. If you did, you would definitely do the same.

 

[Oohvonkyvonky]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

"jonnytapia" - The biggest RAG left on here, ALWAYS crops up on any thread that mentions utd - His post history is littered with digs at City. Don't waste you're time with the fuckwit.

 

[AntiUnited]

Re: Arguement ref United and their treatment of Munich surviours

Wondering if anyone can help..

I have often been told by a staunch blue in his 70's that post the Munich air disaster United were guilty of removing perished player's families along with players who were not physically or mentally fit enough to carry on playing from their club owned housing.

Now I doubt any club would be guilty of such behaviour, but if any club could it would be them.

I am currently arguing with a rag that United are guilty of such disgusting behaviour and he's calling bullshit. Bare in mind this rag considers the campus to be bullshit, and what players has it produced, despite not even being open yet. He also things City turfed business and families out of their homes to build some sports pitches..He is a true bell end..

Now I don't and never would beat a rag with the Munich stick as it was a terrible and horrifying tragedy but their conduct post Munich I would certainly bring up.

I know their own fans vandalised the AIG poster commemorating the Munich disaster as their own fans were disgusted that United would use the tragedy as an opportunity to sell advertising space, again he denies this even though there are online reports and topics on Rag Cafe..

Does anyone have any evidence of this or is it just an old wives tale so to speak?

Utd are a club full of ***** from top to bottom. It's been that way for years and years so don't worry about available evidence, just be sure that if something has occurred that benefits the club whilst shitting on others then it'll be true.
You're mate sounds just like the rest of the ***** who are going to be crying into their giggsy duvets when we surpass them both on and off the pitch.

I dont agree with u on dzeko but this is pretty much the truth.. Scum and opportunist.