Arsenal Post Match Thread.

My point was we could have gone that route, but we didn't.

I agree that our current crop don't often show the same passion as past players, but the game has moved on. I genuinely feel for the players that just missed out on the PL money (White, Lake Brightwell, Hinchcliffe, etc.). They did it the hard way; played fair; played well and earned their right to represent our club.

It has moved on but a lot of the best players still have that inner desire to win also. Sanchez for one has that desire and I really hope (if we do move key players on) we try and sign him in the summer. I do not think it was coincidental when Pep praised Navas he described Sanchez as one of the best players in the world.
 
I like the sentiments mate and I did that second and third division shit but this team is a bunch or mard arses who cost between the squad about £500 million.

You can't fool the fans mate when they aren't busting a gut for the club, Morrison and Horlock had twice the bollocks of KDB and a few others in the squad and earnt a pittance by today's standards .

It's not fucking good enough full stop.
Pretty much spot on for me.
 
Is it me or does anyone else think caballero should have done better for their second goal, he seemed slow to react.
 
It's fucking pathetic mate, we've been playing some of these sub standard players for the past THREE seasons and still they are pulling a shirt on every week, Pep has inherited a bang average squad in very important areas of the game.

Do you see Madrid, Bayern, Barca or even united running down player contracts en masse so they can get rid without it costing a penny? Aswell as the obvious ones out of contract in the summer we still have the likes of Nasri, Bony, Mangala, Delph, Otimendi stinking the place out contracted for the next 2/3 seasons .

Edit. You can add Bravo and Nolito to that list aswell.

It's a fucking joke it really is, Pep might just say three seasons is enough with the shit position he's inherited and who could blame him.
I've heard that the talk of Pep extending his stay is based on him realising that it will take him several years to offload many of our highly paid average players and get his own players in. I cannot understand why some pundits say we should walk the league with our squad. We have a small number of truly outstanding players and others who would struggle to get in the Everton team. When any team attacks us, whether it's Burnley, Arsenal, Everton or whoever, it always feels like there's a strong possibility that we'll concede. Even when we're battering the opposition, they can smell a goal if they can get to our box. My guess is that Pep knows he now needs physically bigger, stronger and quicker defenders with the class and composure on the ball he craves. At Barca he didn't need a Madrid style imposing back four, as he had players who would rapidly filter back and cover attacking defenders. Unlike Spain, the Prem requires a physically imposing type of defender to succeed. Arsenal aren't exactly a physical team, but they looked more robust than us in so many areas - albeit that we should have won....... and I'm not just talking about the Monreal basketball.
 
Don't be daft. Anyone can argue that a strong defence is required but we just dont have the players. Kompany's injuries have brought his career to an end at City not Guardiola. Time has caught up on Zabaleta and that isn't Guardiola's fault either. I'm sure if he had those two players four years ago and injury free available to him then he'd happily play them. He's had leaders in all of the teams he's managed and there no evidence that he has a problem with strong characters. He might have moved the odd bad apple on in the past but the truth zaba and kompany can't be relied upon anymore. Whatever you think of navas, it's not that much of a stretch to understand why he wanted someone with a bit of pace back there.
You always get maximum effort with Navas. His touch in midfield or around his own area is very underrated. But he does hesitate on arrival at the opposing box and the opposition have time to organise. However, Zaba (best right back in the Prem of his generation) takes up positions that make life difficult for wingers to get past him. Although injuries have caught up with him, he is probably still the best one-on-one full back in the tackle - especially against the better wingers. Not Navas' fault that he's not a natural fit at right back.
 
That's very harsh. Personally thought kun worked really hard, scored a good goal and his goal return since coming back in the team is fantastic. The issue was NOT kun, it was our abysmal defence and midfield which wasn't much better.
Sergio's all-round game is better than ever - 8 in 8 and 26 for the season. Nuff said.
 
I don't think Pep is the Messiah he was made out to be but he can not be blamed for the lack of basics the players display when crossing the white line.

Look at Yaya for example, he trotted on never broke a sweat and spent the first ten minutes passing to Arsenal. De Bruyne has been dreadful this season and, apart from the odd world class pass, he goes walk about for large portions of the game. Stirling has forgotten how to take his man on and always bottles a 50/50. Silva was innocuous yesterday and his shooting is abysmal - why doesn't he work on it in training?

You need 10 outfield players who put 100% effort in, something we do not have.

The neutral supporters must love our team though as you always get goalmouth action at both ends and 0-0 draws are few and far between.
Silva has 30/31 goals for Spain from midfield and 50 in all comps for us. For Spain he has players like Iniesta and others to create chances, but for us he is the creator supreme. In Spain he is part of the Iniesta, Casillas, Xavi discussion - a step up on the Fabregas, Mata level of player.
 
Is it me or does anyone else think caballero should have done better for their second goal, he seemed slow to react.
The man on the back post should have got it, but there wasn't one. Nor anyone on the front post. Asking for trouble.
Mind went back to the way we 'defended' the Monaco free kick that knocked us out. We always seem to allow the opposition a good chance to score. Our goals conceded per chances must make dour reading.
 
yesterday we did not lack physical intensity, but focus. We got in some great attacking situations but the passing was way off. That's why Yaya came on but there are weaknesses in his game.
Silva is a physically combative player - underrated part of his game.
 
Sergio's all-round game is better than ever - 8 in 8 and 26 for the season. Nuff said.
Yes, a few months ago I would've agreed he needed to be moved on in the summer but he's done enough to convince me these past couple of months that he should stay. Not that my opinion counts for fuck all but just saying!
 
Im amazed he ever got the sack because according to folklore on here, we have won every single game we ever played under him or have lost since he left had he been in charge.

History tells us we would never have won that game 5-1 under him!
Well his PL record included two 6-1 wins away from home, one against the reigning champions. And he was manager for our only league victory at Arsenal in about 40 years.
 
Yes, a few months ago I would've agreed he needed to be moved on in the summer but he's done enough to convince me these past couple of months that he should stay. Not that my opinion counts for fuck all but just saying!

But he still misses an alarming rate of chances, therein lies a problem too. His numbers are good, but he should have so much more, particularly against the bigger sides.
 
Yes, a few months ago I would've agreed he needed to be moved on in the summer but he's done enough to convince me these past couple of months that he should stay. Not that my opinion counts for fuck all but just saying!

The real culprits for missing chances are KDB, Sterling and Dave , how many goals also come from midfield these days or when did a defender last score for us from our aimless float it high corners?
We'd be nowhere without Sergio- this season, last season or the season before that.

He's our best and most consistent goal scorer , let's hope the new darling of the Etihad Jesus gets anywhere near his stats- Id play both but that's the managers problem .
 
You always get maximum effort with Navas. His touch in midfield or around his own area is very underrated. But he does hesitate on arrival at the opposing box and the opposition have time to organise. However, Zaba (best right back in the Prem of his generation) takes up positions that make life difficult for wingers to get past him. Although injuries have caught up with him, he is probably still the best one-on-one full back in the tackle - especially against the better wingers. Not Navas' fault that he's not a natural fit at right back.

I don't disagree with anything you've said about Zabaleta but when you say he takes up positions that make it hard for the opposing team, I'm not entirely sure that's Guardiola's priority. He wants our players to take up positions based on who has the ball and where. The team is constantly changing shape and pulling in all sorts of directions. Not really sure Zabaleta has the legs for that, or at least against a side with as much attacking pace as arsenal. Navas clearly isn't the answer either but at least he can cover the ground more easily.

The bottom line is we don't have the all of the personnel required to play Guardiola's way at the moment. It's something that will take a long time to implement but i think its still worth sticking with. The long term benefit will be worth it and we're already seeing it working to good effect at the other end of the pitch. Even sections of the press seem to be in agreement that there are signs of something coming together at city and there is acknowledgement that it was something that wouldn't happen overnight. I've seen three or four articles to that effect over the past few weeks which is pretty good going considering most people think there's an agenda against us.
 
Well we got the early goal and seemed surprised that we had.
Instead of keeping on pressing for a second goal, we didn't and Arsenal equalised .
Sergio scored a great 'eye of the needle' goal, but we still didn't have the belief that we could really go on to win that match. Arsenal equalise again!
There is a lack of leadership on the pitch, unless Sergio is in the mood.
When we went in front for the second time I would have brought Vinny on, and probably taken off Otamendi. Get that LEADER on, stiffen up that defence,but I am not Pep!
So we end up with a draw,an opportunity wasted or a decent point away? Make your own mind up.
Perhaps Pep will use Vinny in the cup games (I for one would really love to see him play in the final and hold the old trophy aloft, go out like the winner he is.)
Perhaps Pep wanted to save Vinny for Chelski, assuming that the team he fielded was good enough for the win.
Perhaps Pep is out for revenge after what happened in the home match against Chelski.
I for one would have snatched your hand off for 4 points out of these two games - and it's still possible!
 
The need to convert chances into first of all an on target shots then into goals is still our season long failing. Add to that the indifferent attitude shown by some leads me to believe that quite a few will be replaced at the end of the season and they like us can guess who they are.

However, the players need to be sold to offset his purchases so financial pressure as well as trying to get that 4th place prevail so playing them should suit both parties.

How do you stimulate a player who knows he is going ? All he is playing for is his cut of a transfer so trying hard without impact may not help his cause so strolling through the game may actually suit the personality and cause of some.
 
Once again denied 2 stonewall penalties against Arsenal. It is time Andre Marriner retired he is clearly not up to the standard that is required to ref a match in the premier league. This also applies to both the idiots that were running the line. I will say 1 thing just you watch if the similar incident happens in our box to 1of our players how quickly the ref will blow for a pen.

If you count those incidents that would be another 6 points to our total and it would put us a lot closer to both Spurs and Chelsea.

As regards the way the players are performing that is Peps problem but 1 thing I would say is that if the player/s are not willing to perform then they should be dropped from the squad and put players who are willing to perform into the squad.
 
Sergio's all-round game is better than ever - 8 in 8 and 26 for the season. Nuff said.

I take issue with this statement. I agree his goal scoring is as good as ever, but 'all-round game'? He is the only leading goal scorer in the PL with zero assists.
 

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