Arsenal Thread 2013/14

[stony]

I'm not aware of that

Which forum exactly?

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Jesus, are you serious?

Is such a bollock crap site meant not only to be taken seriously but regarded also as somehow representative of arsenal fans?

You cannot be serious , man

How many more examples would you like ?

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You asked what sense of entitlement. How about these ?

I find it difficult to like any team that has bought their current position in the PL. Yes I hate Utd but for very different reasons. I know City and Chelski both have a long football history but their rapid rise to the top in recent times was purely down to money and not down to football or long term planning.

don't mind the their team nor manager. Most of their players I would welcome to our team, except for some obvious ***** like Nasri and Clichy to a lesser degree.

The disgusting part is that they were a midtable team that got bumped up among the best, which has basically cost us a position. They cheated us out of a position, because some rich ***** doesn't know where to spend his money.

I can stomach watching their games, though, they are a pretty nice team.

How can you hate a club who only 10 years ago was fielding Shaun Goater? Man City are like Tottenham for me, can't hate a club who for the most part of my life have been a non-entity.

No one else. City doesn't register, unless of course, you move to Edgware Road W1, when things might become a bit more heated.

The 291 pages and counting from here says different.

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[shootmeifipost10k]

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Jesus, are you serious?

Is such a bollock crap site meant not only to be taken seriously but regarded also as somehow representative of arsenal fans?

You cannot be serious , man

How many more examples would you like ?

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You asked what sense of entitlement. How about these ?

I find it difficult to like any team that has bought their current position in the PL. Yes I hate Utd but for very different reasons. I know City and Chelski both have a long football history but their rapid rise to the top in recent times was purely down to money and not down to football or long term planning.

don't mind the their team nor manager. Most of their players I would welcome to our team, except for some obvious ***** like Nasri and Clichy to a lesser degree.

The disgusting part is that they were a midtable team that got bumped up among the best, which has basically cost us a position. They cheated us out of a position, because some rich ***** doesn't know where to spend his money.

I can stomach watching their games, though, they are a pretty nice team.

How can you hate a club who only 10 years ago was fielding Shaun Goater? Man City are like Tottenham for me, can't hate a club who for the most part of my life have been a non-entity.

No one else. City doesn't register, unless of course, you move to Edgware Road W1, when things might become a bit more heated.

The 291 pages and counting from here says different.

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You can add to those the thoughts of Arsene who has felt a need to make underhand comments on our spending at regular intervals and funnily enough more so when they looked like missing out on the top 4 over the past couple of seasons. Making comment on how little they spent as if all clubs should do the same and shouldn't be buying players to get in the top spots and above them in the league. It's like Arsenal are some moral compass all clubs should follow, which is quite ironic seeing as they've outspent nearly all of the other clubs to keep their position at the top.

Strangely or is it coincidence the year the club said there would be big funds available after paying off some debts Arsene goes out and errrrrr spends it.

It's quite funny really because for all his faults and no doubt rage at us beating them to the title ferguson never made such underhand comments about our spending and even admitted it was needed just for the top 4.

 

[ROCKET80]

If I ever come across an ill educated Arsenal fan coming out with this drivel I mention 2 names.

Henry Norris and Danny Fiszman

Tell them to Google them, then walk away as they stand there with a blank expression on their stupid fat face.

 

[alky313]

No one likes a winner. Especially if they're a loser. Who cares about their opinions.

Ultimately they have 2 chances of winnings trophy this year. The FA cup and the title. They will have to get through us, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea.

I can't see an Ozil-Giroud partnership winning either. Walcott has been very influential late in games and Wilshere iS A destruction of his own design.

The title run in is something none of their players bar Ozil have experienced. Where as we fielded a team with multiple trophy winners.

If they plan on playing these two every match for the next 5 months they'll end up scraping 3rd.

Come at gooners. You have zero depth up front.

 

[IH8MUFC]

Arsenal fans may not like to discuss it, but they didn’t earn their place at England’s top football table. In 1919 the Football League decided to expand the First Division from 20 to 22 teams. Chelsea, who had finished 19th the previous season, were spared the drop; bottom-placed Spurs went down and were replaced by Second Division outfit Arsenal. Spurs fans can (and do) talk for hours about this perceived injustice, but neutrals will raise an eyebrow to discover that Arsenal had only finished fifth in the Second Division, so their promotion must have annoyed fourth-placed Wolves and third-placed Barnsley. Whatever methods Arsenal chairman Sir Henry Norris used, they worked and the Gunners were airlifted into a division they’ve still yet to leave.

 

[alky313]

Arsenal fans may not like to discuss it, but they didn’t earn their place at England’s top football table. In 1919 the Football League decided to expand the First Division from 20 to 22 teams. Chelsea, who had finished 19th the previous season, were spared the drop; bottom-placed Spurs went down and were replaced by Second Division outfit Arsenal. Spurs fans can (and do) talk for hours about this perceived injustice, but neutrals will raise an eyebrow to discover that Arsenal had only finished fifth in the Second Division, so their promotion must have annoyed fourth-placed Wolves and third-placed Barnsley. Whatever methods Arsenal chairman Sir Henry Norris used, they worked and the Gunners were airlifted into a division they’ve still yet to leave.

Huddersfield MK 2.
Fake promotions.

Their history is riddled with the fallacy (as are most clubs) that they somehow became successful without consistent and at times over the odds investments.

These types of people are usually those who do not understand the concept of business development. They are quite frankly not worth my time.

 

[Blue Haze]

So Arsenal may be forced to spend this January. That'll be another couple of hundred on the price of next years season tickets then.

And in exchange they get a 19-year-old Ligue 2 striker

Same old Arsenal

Would you prefer they lash out on a big name and big money signing?

No. I would prefer the American owner keep running the club on the cheap.

If Usmanov ever got control of Arsenal, combined with Wenger, that would worry me.

 

[supercity88]

No one else. City doesn't register, unless of course, you move to Edgware Road W1, when things might become a bit more heated.

Moving into someone elses patch is something Arsenal would never do!

Also for all of Arsene's early success, their trophy drought is telling. He was won 7 trophies with Arsenal in the 17 seasons prior to this one - 3 league titles and 4 FA Cups. Compare that to Mourinho who in his 3 seasons at Chelsea won the league twice, the FA Cup once and the League Cup once so 5 trophies in 3 seasons and yet he still takes his position of no team deserves to be successful unless the money is sustainably spent. The thing that annoys me, and probably most City fans is that, in a perfect world perhaps spending would be equal and clubs would focus on academy - but the days are gone that you can unearth two real gem players that are homegrown and go on to win the league. Times have changed and therefore you have to change with them. The signing of Ozil was Wenger finally accepting that his Arsenal side could not win anything without spending a lot of money. Unfortunately it is the way football went. Do City deserve some success for the decades we put up without it? Or should the league be monopolised by the same teams year in year out as it is in La Liga?

 

[Gillespie]

No one else. City doesn't register, unless of course, you move to Edgware Road W1, when things might become a bit more heated.

Moving into someone elses patch is something Arsenal would never do!

Also for all of Arsene's early success, their trophy drought is telling. He was won 7 trophies with Arsenal in the 17 seasons prior to this one - 3 league titles and 4 FA Cups. Compare that to Mourinho who in his 3 seasons at Chelsea won the league twice, the FA Cup once and the League Cup once so 5 trophies in 3 seasons and yet he still takes his position of no team deserves to be successful unless the money is sustainably spent. The thing that annoys me, and probably most City fans is that, in a perfect world perhaps spending would be equal and clubs would focus on academy - but the days are gone that you can unearth two real gem players that are homegrown and go on to win the league. Times have changed and therefore you have to change with them. The signing of Ozil was Wenger finally accepting that his Arsenal side could not win anything without spending a lot of money. Unfortunately it is the way football went. Do City deserve some success for the decades we put up without it? Or should the league be monopolised by the same teams year in year out as it is in La Liga?

For those who posted, I am well aware of the history of Arsenal.

I'm just saying most Arsenal fans I know are fairly indifferent to City's recent good fortune. At least it means there is more competition and most would welcome City knocking Man Yoo off it's perch.

Arsenal have had 10 years of being relatively uncompetitive in the title race unable to spend big because of the financial constraints imposed by the need to fund a new stadium. You have to give them some credit in that situation for consistently finishing in the top 4 vital for CL money.

The purchase of Ozil suggests the debt is repaid at a level where they can now compete and you'd expect that Ozil wouldn't be the last of the big spends going forward.

I think FFP will have some impact and if that creates more of a level playing field, that has to be a good thing. As you say, we don't want to see La Liga's lack of competition here.

So, City fans, ignore the jibes about money from other fans, it's irrelevant and outdated as we are all playing by the same rules now.

 

[Matty]

No one else. City doesn't register, unless of course, you move to Edgware Road W1, when things might become a bit more heated.

Moving into someone elses patch is something Arsenal would never do!

Also for all of Arsene's early success, their trophy drought is telling. He was won 7 trophies with Arsenal in the 17 seasons prior to this one - 3 league titles and 4 FA Cups. Compare that to Mourinho who in his 3 seasons at Chelsea won the league twice, the FA Cup once and the League Cup once so 5 trophies in 3 seasons and yet he still takes his position of no team deserves to be successful unless the money is sustainably spent. The thing that annoys me, and probably most City fans is that, in a perfect world perhaps spending would be equal and clubs would focus on academy - but the days are gone that you can unearth two real gem players that are homegrown and go on to win the league. Times have changed and therefore you have to change with them. The signing of Ozil was Wenger finally accepting that his Arsenal side could not win anything without spending a lot of money. Unfortunately it is the way football went. Do City deserve some success for the decades we put up without it? Or should the league be monopolised by the same teams year in year out as it is in La Liga?

For those who posted, I am well aware of the history of Arsenal.

I'm just saying most Arsenal fans I know are fairly indifferent to City's recent good fortune. At least it means there is more competition and most would welcome City knocking Man Yoo off it's perch.

Arsenal have had 10 years of being relatively uncompetitive in the title race unable to spend big because of the financial constraints imposed by the need to fund a new stadium. You have to give them some credit in that situation for consistently finishing in the top 4 vital for CL money.

The purchase of Ozil suggests the debt is repaid at a level where they can now compete and you'd expect that Ozil wouldn't be the last of the big spends going forward.

I think FFP will have some impact and if that creates more of a level playing field, that has to be a good thing. As you say, we don't want to see La Liga's lack of competition here.

So, City fans, ignore the jibes about money from other fans, it's irrelevant and outdated as we are all playing by the same rules now.

Due to the way we divide the TV revenue I don't think we'd get the annual two horse race that is La Liga, however it's a misnomer that FFP will "create a more level playing field", what FFP will achieve (and this was the main reason for it's creation, not financial protection of the minnows) is a maintaining of the status quo, throughout Europe. Those clubs who are lucky enough to be at the top table now will remain at the top table, they will be able to spend huge sums of money because through commercial deals, Champion's League revenue etc they have the money there to spend. Those who aren't in the Champion's League, and who don't have multi million pound sponsorship deals will have miniscule sums to spend on players, and as such won't be able to compete. FFP will prevent a City from ever happening again. external investment will be essentially blocked, as it won't meet the FFP rules and those clubs will be banned from the lucrative football competitions. Football must be the only industry in the world that is actively seeking to prevent external investment from wealthy benefactors.