Arsenal Thread 2013/14

[aguero93:20]

Don't Worry. it's our prem to lose.

Please, bring them back down a peg or 2!

I don't like to say I told you so. So I won't because I didn't. But it was pointed out to you lot, by other posters,
that the title wasn't won in November. You wouldn't listen and this is now karma for giving us Gooner2.
So sorry if I just sit here in a pool of my own urine and no bollocks as I laugh myself silly.

You might be able to point out posts where I'm about to talk rubbish, but I like to think of myself as one of the more level headed along with another few on here. I try not to go too overboard when we win, and try not to be too harsh when we lose. I'll be surprised if I ever said that I thought we would win the league, because I just think and always have that there are a few glaring weaknesses, the main one being the attack.

However, although we always get injuries, I didn't see the extent of the injuries happening that did. Even so, I still wouldn't have predicted some of the shambolic performances that have happened since. I also didn't see how we could be so inactive in the transfer market in January despite everyone including Wenger & Gazidis admitting we needed a striker in January!

I can understand why a few would think 'told you so' on here because there has been some pretty ballshy characters on here(perhaps at times myself), none more than gooner2 though. If it's any consolation, after having a wee trawl through RAWK, they seem to be missing him on there too, where he was banned as gooner1.

I wonder if he's been on Red Café as gooner3?!

Nope and if he has he's been banned, doesn't come up on searches.

 

[City Raider]

A couple of our Arsenal residents have discussed who's fault this continuing farce is.

From what I can tell the board either lied to fans about the impact of moving stadium on transfer budget, a lie Wenger must have been complicit in - or there have always been funds available but Wenger has refused to spend (which would be mystifying as the invincibles weren't exactly cheap to put together). Either way the common denominator is Wenger.

Then the stadium was either paid for or Wenger's continuing refusal to spend led to the board making a public announcement money was available

the media latched on about different targets, fans got excited and Wenger....did nothing - until the window was closing.

Then he spent £40m on a player who on a scale of 1-10 of need was probably a 2/3.

I'm not sure which I'd be more worried about if I was an Arsenal fan - that Wenger bought Ozil because he truly believed he was what Arsenal needed or that he felt forced to go against his instinct and spent to appease fans and the media.

Regardless of which scenario's are true, there is only one party that is consistently to blame. Some Arsenal fans have woke up, others still have their head in the sand about Wenger.

 

[M18CTID]

A couple of our Arsenal residents have discussed who's fault this continuing farce is.

From what I can tell the board either lied to fans about the impact of moving stadium on transfer budget, a lie Wenger must have been complicit in - or there have always been funds available but Wenger has refused to spend (which would be mystifying as the invincibles weren't exactly cheap to put together). Either way the common denominator is Wenger.

Then the stadium was either paid for or Wenger's continuing refusal to spend led to the board making a public announcement money was available

the media latched on about different targets, fans got excited and Wenger....did nothing - until the window was closing.

Then he spent £40m on a player who on a scale of 1-10 of need was probably a 2/3.

I'm not sure which I'd be more worried about if I was an Arsenal fan - that Wenger bought Ozil because he truly believed he was what Arsenal needed or that he felt forced to go against his instinct and spent to appease fans and the media.

Regardless of which scenario's are true, there is only one party that is consistently to blame. Some Arsenal fans have woke up, others still have their head in the sand about Wenger.

While I don't think Wenger is blameless, I have a slightly different view. I remember reading an article way back to around the time they first moved into The Emirates and Wenger saying they would have to be more prudent in their spending over a prolonged period (I could be wrong but 2017 rings a bell), so I don't think the club were hiding anything from the outset.

The problem seems to be that subsequent statements about money being available have contradicted that earlier line, possibly to appease the fans because perhaps they thought it wouldn't be quite as difficult a period as things have turned out. I've no doubt Wenger was complicit in all that but I also think few other managers could've done better under these circumstances. I'd even go as far to say that it would be a tad unfair on him if he leaves at a time when they're just getting into a position of having more spending power, hence giving his successor less constraints than Wenger has worked with.

 

[City Raider]

A couple of our Arsenal residents have discussed who's fault this continuing farce is.

From what I can tell the board either lied to fans about the impact of moving stadium on transfer budget, a lie Wenger must have been complicit in - or there have always been funds available but Wenger has refused to spend (which would be mystifying as the invincibles weren't exactly cheap to put together). Either way the common denominator is Wenger.

Then the stadium was either paid for or Wenger's continuing refusal to spend led to the board making a public announcement money was available

the media latched on about different targets, fans got excited and Wenger....did nothing - until the window was closing.

Then he spent £40m on a player who on a scale of 1-10 of need was probably a 2/3.

I'm not sure which I'd be more worried about if I was an Arsenal fan - that Wenger bought Ozil because he truly believed he was what Arsenal needed or that he felt forced to go against his instinct and spent to appease fans and the media.

Regardless of which scenario's are true, there is only one party that is consistently to blame. Some Arsenal fans have woke up, others still have their head in the sand about Wenger.

While I don't think Wenger is blameless, I have a slightly different view. I remember reading an article way back to around the time they first moved into The Emirates and Wenger saying they would have to be more prudent in their spending over a prolonged period (I could be wrong but 2017 rings a bell), so I don't think the club were hiding anything from the outset.

The problem seems to be that subsequent statements about money being available have contradicted that earlier line, possibly to appease the fans because perhaps they thought it wouldn't be quite as difficult a period as things have turned out. I've no doubt Wenger was complicit in all that but I also think few other managers could've done better under these circumstances. I'd even go as far to say that it would be a tad unfair on him if he leaves at a time when they're just getting into a position of having more spending power, hence giving his successor less constraints than Wenger has worked with.

I do see all that and would agree entirely but the Ozil signing shows a complete lack of understanding of what was needed

 

[supercrystal7]

A couple of our Arsenal residents have discussed who's fault this continuing farce is.

From what I can tell the board either lied to fans about the impact of moving stadium on transfer budget, a lie Wenger must have been complicit in - or there have always been funds available but Wenger has refused to spend (which would be mystifying as the invincibles weren't exactly cheap to put together). Either way the common denominator is Wenger.

Then the stadium was either paid for or Wenger's continuing refusal to spend led to the board making a public announcement money was available

the media latched on about different targets, fans got excited and Wenger....did nothing - until the window was closing.

Then he spent £40m on a player who on a scale of 1-10 of need was probably a 2/3.

I'm not sure which I'd be more worried about if I was an Arsenal fan - that Wenger bought Ozil because he truly believed he was what Arsenal needed or that he felt forced to go against his instinct and spent to appease fans and the media.

Regardless of which scenario's are true, there is only one party that is consistently to blame. Some Arsenal fans have woke up, others still have their head in the sand about Wenger.

While I don't think Wenger is blameless, I have a slightly different view. I remember reading an article way back to around the time they first moved into The Emirates and Wenger saying they would have to be more prudent in their spending over a prolonged period (I could be wrong but 2017 rings a bell), so I don't think the club were hiding anything from the outset.

The problem seems to be that subsequent statements about money being available have contradicted that earlier line, possibly to appease the fans because perhaps they thought it wouldn't be quite as difficult a period as things have turned out. I've no doubt Wenger was complicit in all that but I also think few other managers could've done better under these circumstances. I'd even go as far to say that it would be a tad unfair on him if he leaves at a time when they're just getting into a position of having more spending power, hence giving his successor less constraints than Wenger has worked with.

I do see all that and would agree entirely but the Ozil signing shows a complete lack of understanding of what was needed

I agree entirely with that too, but only disagree with you on Ozil.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players. If he stays next season let's see what he does. Certain players whether needed or not are just too good to turn down; Ozil is that good for me. United did not really need RVP, but he won them the league. I think Ozil in his second season is going to take the league by storm.

 

[Bilboblue]

It doesn't feel like it.

Wait till you are playing Colchester away and you've taken your 11 year old daughter who needs a pee, except there are no female toilets, and you have to explain that to her mum the following day

I recognise I should get a sense of perspective but do you mind if today I am allowed to vent my spleen?

I'm fucked off and still feel that way. The gentle spirit of my nature sadly is subsumed at the moment.

-- Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:59 pm --

It doesn't feel like it.

Wait till you are playing Colchester away and you've taken your 11 year old daughter who needs a pee, except there are no female toilets, and you have to explain that to her mum the following day

PS I hope you manc cunts go on and win the fucking thing now

Did you just call us cunts, you ****?<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:14 pm --<br /><br />

Well, yet another horrible day yesterday, just to add to the horrible 6 weeks we've had.

There's no doubt injuries haven't helped us, and we would have eben a bit more competitive if we could put closer to a full team out, but this is Arsenal, and we've always had injuries. The worrying aspect is not the defeats however, its the manner of the defeats. A club like Arsenal should be able to put out an XI that still remains competitive. These are proven premiership players and mostly full internationals after all.

When everyone's back, I see 3 main area's of weakness. We need someone with legs to take over from Arteta in beside Ramsey, we need a left winger and we need any sort of striker that isn't Oliver Giroud! I can see it, you guys can see it, everyone can see it, I've got little confidence that the manager & the board will identify & purchase the improvements required.

Anyone that's read my posts know I always back Wenger. I never said he was perfect but I've always thought he was the right man for the job. Now I'm not so sure. I think now I am open to change. I don't want change for changing sake, I see where that has got teams like Spurs, but if there was a chance to get a Martinez or Klopp in the summer, I think would take it. If the right guy isn't available I would be content to allow Wenger to continue for a year or so until the right guy does.

I want someone that will actually properly coach the players into some sort of system, with and without the ball, not someone who seems to go in with little gameplan apart from 'play your own game, you should be superior'. Well guess what Arsene, these guys aren't superior, not by a long way!
Stop being so stuborn and do something that everyone has been telling you you need all summer. These guys don't have to be world class stars! Can you tell me that someone like Schneiderlin couldn't come in and do a better job than Arteta just now? Or someone like Carlton Cole couldn't come and and be better than Giroud just now FFS!!! (I jest, but you get my point)!

If you fall out of the top 4 but win the FA Cup, will you consider that a good season?

Nope. I'm trying to look at the big picture of the season here, and not focus on the last 6 weeks.

Last summer was a nightmare, for different reasons, some in Arsenal's control, others outwith but whatever the strategy clearly failed. Now, if you had asked me in August, what I would hope for in the season would be to be a lot closer to the top of the table, to be competitive up there beyond New Year and to finally win a trophy, then push on from there the following season So if they finish 4th, and win the FA Cup then they by all accounts should have achieved that. However, to drop out the top 4 after being top in February, there's no other way to address that apart from a complete collapse! Even if you throw in the FA Cup, I still wouldn't be happy.

It could be the re-birth of Arsenal as title contenders, they would absolutely HAVE to spend some money if they finish outside the top four, it could be a blessing in disguise.

 

[GunnerGer]

It could be the re-birth of Arsenal as title contenders, they would absolutely HAVE to spend some money if they finish outside the top four, it could be a blessing in disguise.

You could be right Bilbo. It shouldn't take failure to drive this on though. In a similar vain, this collapse so far even if we get top 4 and the FA Cup, and some of the hammerings we've took might motivate them just the same. Last season we improved as the season went on, culminating in the run to get into 4th. This maybe skewed how good he seen the team and the squad.

One thing is for certain, if he thought the pressure was on him to improve the squad was big after the Villa game, that will be nothing compared to the pressure they will be under in the summer if he stays, regardless of how the season pans out. A lot of the fans are at tipping point, even the pro Wenger camp.

 

[Stoned Rose]

While I don't think Wenger is blameless, I have a slightly different view. I remember reading an article way back to around the time they first moved into The Emirates and Wenger saying they would have to be more prudent in their spending over a prolonged period (I could be wrong but 2017 rings a bell), so I don't think the club were hiding anything from the outset.

The problem seems to be that subsequent statements about money being available have contradicted that earlier line, possibly to appease the fans because perhaps they thought it wouldn't be quite as difficult a period as things have turned out. I've no doubt Wenger was complicit in all that but I also think few other managers could've done better under these circumstances. I'd even go as far to say that it would be a tad unfair on him if he leaves at a time when they're just getting into a position of having more spending power, hence giving his successor less constraints than Wenger has worked with.

I do see all that and would agree entirely but the Ozil signing shows a complete lack of understanding of what was needed

I agree entirely with that too, but only disagree with you on Ozil.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players. If he stays next season let's see what he does. Certain players whether needed or not are just too good to turn down; Ozil is that good for me. United did not really need RVP, but he won them the league. I think Ozil in his second season is going to take the league by storm.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players.

Over played? and which world class players has he been better than?<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:47 pm --<br /><br />

It could be the re-birth of Arsenal as title contenders, they would absolutely HAVE to spend some money if they finish outside the top four, it could be a blessing in disguise.

You could be right Bilbo. It shouldn't take failure to drive this on though. In a similar vain, this collapse so far even if we get top 4 and the FA Cup, and some of the hammerings we've took might motivate them just the same. Last season we improved as the season went on, culminating in the run to get into 4th. This maybe skewed how good he seen the team and the squad.

One thing is for certain, if he thought the pressure was on him to improve the squad was big after the Villa game, that will be nothing compared to the pressure they will be under in the summer if he stays, regardless of how the season pans out. A lot of the fans are at tipping point, even the pro Wenger camp.

Utd and Arsenal would be in bidding wars for all the dregs.

It'd be fucking ace.

 

[supercrystal7]

I do see all that and would agree entirely but the Ozil signing shows a complete lack of understanding of what was needed

I agree entirely with that too, but only disagree with you on Ozil.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players. If he stays next season let's see what he does. Certain players whether needed or not are just too good to turn down; Ozil is that good for me. United did not really need RVP, but he won them the league. I think Ozil in his second season is going to take the league by storm.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players.

Over played? and which world class players has he been better than?

My fault for not clarifying. I meant he has had a better first season in the Premiership than many world class players have had. Not taking into consideration players bought for potential he has had a better first season than Mata, Silva, Bergkamp, Vidic, Evra, Tevez, Mascherano, Hazard and Drogba. Those are just the ones, who went on to be great successes at in the Premiership.


Ozil was never the fittest player in the world. At Madrid he was often rested when the games were won. Wenger refused to give him a rest and kept playing him game after game. Even when the matches were won, he still kept him on the pitch. It was inevitable his body would break down and get injured. Towards the end he had no speed and contrary to what some people think Ozil is pretty quick.

 

[City Raider]

I agree entirely with that too, but only disagree with you on Ozil.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players. If he stays next season let's see what he does. Certain players whether needed or not are just too good to turn down; Ozil is that good for me. United did not really need RVP, but he won them the league. I think Ozil in his second season is going to take the league by storm.

This is his first season in the Premiership and he was over played, but already has been better than a lot of world class players.

Over played? and which world class players has he been better than?

My fault for not clarifying. I meant he has had a better first season in the Premiership than many world class players have had. Not taking into consideration players bought for potential he has had a better first season than Mata, Silva, Bergkamp, Vidic, Evra, Tevez, Mascherano, Hazard and Drogba. Those are just the ones, who went on to be great successes at in the Premiership.


Ozil was never the fittest player in the world. At Madrid he was often rested when the games were won. Wenger refused to give him a rest and kept playing him game after game. Even when the matches were won, he still kept him on the pitch. It was inevitable his body would break down and get injured. Towards the end he had no speed and contrary to what some people think Ozil is pretty quick.

Some of the names on your list are ridiculous, a Sun readers guide to first seasons eg anyone who watched Silva week in week out that season knew how good he was, its just the media didnt pick up on it