Arthur Labinjo-Hughes

bluethrunthru said:
I am 60 - my Mrs is 58 on age etc I am sure we are disqualified from all fostering and adoption but FFS I am sure there are loads of us out there who can offer a safe haven to kids - my son is gay - he has been with his partner for 5 years - they are solid but probably still not allowed to adopt yet these cunts retained a child...............??????
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Being barred from fostering or adopting due to sexuality is myth, and illegal.
 
lefty goldblatt said:
What's worrying me, is that clips of Arthur's abuse have now been played by various media sources, today. These clips (whilst obviously harrowing) are probably the "weakest" that the general public have been subjected to. There were probably MUCH worse.

It's obvious that police/social services had the house "bugged".

WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T THE POLICE BROKEN THE DOORS OF THAT HOUSE DOWN, THE MOMENT IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT POOR LAD WAS BEING HARMED, or did they only check the recordings fortnightly?

Heads must roll for this...I doubt they will though.
The two main heads that SHOULD "roll" are the sad excuses for humanity that were classed as that boy's parents. In circumstances like these, the death penalty SHOULD BE MANDATORY
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Why do you think that the police and social services had the house bugged? Do you really think that they have those powers when dealing with safeguarding / child protection? Wow…. Most social service departments are struggling for pens and fucking office space.

I have worked with abused and traumatised children for almost 30 years. The naivety and misinformation in the UK is unbelievable. Kids get harmed and killed on a regular basis in the UK. Some make the news and some don’t. When they make the news there is the usual outpouring of outrage that lasts for a few news cycles. There is the blame that is usually directed at social workers. The same social workers that if they remove a child get lambasted. If they don’t and a child gets hurt or killed they get lambasted. I will let you into a secret that the media don’t seem to like to clarify. Social workers don’t make decisions to remove children, courts do by way of either an interim care order or an emergency protection order. The police can also do it by way of a police protection order that is agreed by a senior police officer. I have been involved in the removal of many children over the years, not so much now as I am involved in a different area of work, but I never made those decisions. I had to provide evidence and many times over the years sat through the night worrying about children that the courts would not agree needed removing. I work with people now that are regularly in tears because they worry about what is happening to children that are in certain families. The thresholds have been raised because if you remove a child you have to have somewhere to put that child. Guess what, half the time children are left because resources dictate and cuts mean there are no placements.

How many people will read the SCR (serious case review) on this case when it is published? How many people will really want to know the details of what actually went on and who knew and did what? How many people think they know what went on in the case of Baby Peter? How many actually read the serious case review instead of relying on the media only? Not too many. I can give you many cases that you will not have heard of that I use regularly in my training. They involve children being killed, raped, tortured. How many people said that they only read half of the story because it is too harrowing? Some people work with that tirelessly on a daily basis. They can’t turn away.

We have all had a really tough few years with the pandemic and associated lockdowns. This has raised the risk for vulnerable children and victims of domestic abuse. Some workers never stopped and have been working throughout to try and minimise some of the risks. You won’t get them being clapped on a Thursday, receiving free food and coffees, discounts at many shops and celebrated like many key workers. There was no outcry about them having to do home visits without PPE to protect children who were assessed as being at risk. No priority shopping hours despite some working 15 hour days. You usually find them spread across the media for allegedly not stepping in when a child is harmed. The fact that funding for social services has been decimated isn’t as popular as us all being outraged at cuts to the NHS. But get used to this type of case. Some of us see this regularly. You only see what the media sees fit to publish. I have to read the serious case reviews as part of my job. I am also involved in investigating as part of some serious case reviews when things go wrong. The one I am working on at the moment is a child that has been being raped over a two year period. It won’t make the news. It’s fairly run of the mill.

Apologies for the long post and sense of frustration. But people don’t want to see the truth of what is below the surface. In my career to date I have had two children killed on my caseloads, three left with life limiting injuries (brain damage), and countless raped, abused and beaten. I myself have been attacked with a knife, screwdriver and had my eye socket smashed with a hammer in separate incidents. My partner and I had to move house when one family found out where we lived. Being spat on and threatened was not uncommon. For doing a job protecting children that I loved for many years. Yet I was only one mistake from being splashed all over the press. I see countless people doing similar.

When people get outraged but don’t really want to face or know the detailed truth then I get as fucking outraged as seeing what happened to Arthur. It will happen again and again because a measure of society is the way that we protect our most vulnerable, and we don’t. Whether that is old people of children. We are failing. All of us, not just those brave enough to enter a profession to try and help. All of us. Look at who we have running the country. A morally bankrupt bunch of corrupt bastards who don’t care about anyone, let alone vulnerable children. They take and take and continue to underfund services which make it nigh on impossible to protect the most vulnerable. Instead of asking who is to blame, look at the wider picture and the society that we are creating and tolerating and ask why. If we let this continue we are all to blame.

Clapping on 6 minute at all the football matches this weekend as is being muted is as much use as the clapping for the NHS was. Tokenism at its finest. In a years time most people will not remember Arthur’s second name…. A real tribute to Arthur, and for me on a personal level, some of the other children that are in my heart - John, Cheryl, Victoria, Naomi, Claire, Dylan… Will be to try to ensure that we change the society that we are currently tolerating and make it safer for children.

I will save you the trouble of reading the serious case review regarding Arthur. It will have lessons around a lack of resources, breakdown in communication, risks being missed by many agencies, isolation and what we call disguised compliance by the parents / step-parents. This one will be slightly different as it will also consider the impact of covid and home schooling.

Don’t get outraged and do nothing about it. As Steve Earle said…. “If you don’t vote don’t woman”. Don’t just want the change, be the change.
 
Asa's Heart said:
Why do you think that the police and social services had the house bugged? Do you really think that they have those powers when dealing with safeguarding / child protection? Wow…. Most social service departments are struggling for pens and fucking office space.

I have worked with abused and traumatised children for almost 30 years. The naivety and misinformation in the UK is unbelievable. Kids get harmed and killed on a regular basis in the UK. Some make the news and some don’t. When they make the news there is the usual outpouring of outrage that lasts for a few news cycles. There is the blame that is usually directed at social workers. The same social workers that if they remove a child get lambasted. If they don’t and a child gets hurt or killed they get lambasted. I will let you into a secret that the media don’t seem to like to clarify. Social workers don’t make decisions to remove children, courts do by way of either an interim care order or an emergency protection order. The police can also do it by way of a police protection order that is agreed by a senior police officer. I have been involved in the removal of many children over the years, not so much now as I am involved in a different area of work, but I never made those decisions. I had to provide evidence and many times over the years sat through the night worrying about children that the courts would not agree needed removing. I work with people now that are regularly in tears because they worry about what is happening to children that are in certain families. The thresholds have been raised because if you remove a child you have to have somewhere to put that child. Guess what, half the time children are left because resources dictate and cuts mean there are no placements.

How many people will read the SCR (serious case review) on this case when it is published? How many people will really want to know the details of what actually went on and who knew and did what? How many people think they know what went on in the case of Baby Peter? How many actually read the serious case review instead of relying on the media only? Not too many. I can give you many cases that you will not have heard of that I use regularly in my training. They involve children being killed, raped, tortured. How many people said that they only read half of the story because it is too harrowing? Some people work with that tirelessly on a daily basis. They can’t turn away.

We have all had a really tough few years with the pandemic and associated lockdowns. This has raised the risk for vulnerable children and victims of domestic abuse. Some workers never stopped and have been working throughout to try and minimise some of the risks. You won’t get them being clapped on a Thursday, receiving free food and coffees, discounts at many shops and celebrated like many key workers. There was no outcry about them having to do home visits without PPE to protect children who were assessed as being at risk. No priority shopping hours despite some working 15 hour days. You usually find them spread across the media for allegedly not stepping in when a child is harmed. The fact that funding for social services has been decimated isn’t as popular as us all being outraged at cuts to the NHS. But get used to this type of case. Some of us see this regularly. You only see what the media sees fit to publish. I have to read the serious case reviews as part of my job. I am also involved in investigating as part of some serious case reviews when things go wrong. The one I am working on at the moment is a child that has been being raped over a two year period. It won’t make the news. It’s fairly run of the mill.

Apologies for the long post and sense of frustration. But people don’t want to see the truth of what is below the surface. In my career to date I have had two children killed on my caseloads, three left with life limiting injuries (brain damage), and countless raped, abused and beaten. I myself have been attacked with a knife, screwdriver and had my eye socket smashed with a hammer in separate incidents. My partner and I had to move house when one family found out where we lived. Being spat on and threatened was not uncommon. For doing a job protecting children that I loved for many years. Yet I was only one mistake from being splashed all over the press. I see countless people doing similar.

When people get outraged but don’t really want to face or know the detailed truth then I get as fucking outraged as seeing what happened to Arthur. It will happen again and again because a measure of society is the way that we protect our most vulnerable, and we don’t. Whether that is old people of children. We are failing. All of us, not just those brave enough to enter a profession to try and help. All of us. Look at who we have running the country. A morally bankrupt bunch of corrupt bastards who don’t care about anyone, let alone vulnerable children. They take and take and continue to underfund services which make it nigh on impossible to protect the most vulnerable. Instead of asking who is to blame, look at the wider picture and the society that we are creating and tolerating and ask why. If we let this continue we are all to blame.

Clapping on 6 minute at all the football matches this weekend as is being muted is as much use as the clapping for the NHS was. Tokenism at its finest. In a years time most people will not remember Arthur’s second name…. A real tribute to Arthur, and for me on a personal level, some of the other children that are in my heart - John, Cheryl, Victoria, Naomi, Claire, Dylan… Will be to try to ensure that we change the society that we are currently tolerating and make it safer for children.

I will save you the trouble of reading the serious case review regarding Arthur. It will have lessons around a lack of resources, breakdown in communication, risks being missed by many agencies, isolation and what we call disguised compliance by the parents / step-parents. This one will be slightly different as it will also consider the impact of covid and home schooling.

Don’t get outraged and do nothing about it. As Steve Earle said…. “If you don’t vote don’t woman”. Don’t just want the change, be the change.
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A simple like feels woefully inadequate.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I am 60 - my Mrs is 58 on age etc I am sure we are disqualified from all fostering and adoption but FFS I am sure there are loads of us out there who can offer a safe haven to kids - my son is gay - he has been with his partner for 5 years - they are solid but probably still not allowed to adopt yet these cunts retained a child...............??????
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Not at all. No age limit on foster carers. Some that I work with are in their 70s and work wonders with children and particularly teens. If you are serious about fostering and not just doing what a lot of people do (talk about it and put their own barriers in the way) drop me a message and I will link you in with a LA or independent fostering agency. No problem at all. I work with lots…..

if you really believe in this day and age that being in a same sex relationship is a barrier to fostering and adoption you need to get out more. Educate yourself fella. Gay, straight, transgender, not a problem. Some like to use that as an excuse though when they talk about what is stopping them. Again, message me if you want more information for your son and his partner. Not a problem at all.
 
Asa's Heart said:
Not at all. No age limit on foster carers. Some that I work with are in their 70s and work wonders with children and particularly teens. If you are serious about fostering and not just doing what a lot of people do (talk about it and put their own barriers in the way) drop me a message and I will link you in with a LA or independent fostering agency. No problem at all. I work with lots…..
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Couple that sit in front of me at The Etihad have been fostering for many years and they're in their 50's. Age is no bar but (in my opinion) you've got to be a bit special to do that job when faced with some of the emotionally damaged kids that you get. Although not all are, as some kids have to go into care for all sorts of reasons, such as illness in the family. To be able to give a kid the love and warmth they need in these situations is a very special gift.

Prior to lockdown, I was trying, via City Matters and CITC, to get together groups of City fans involved in things like fostering, helping disadvantaged teens, mentoring, etc. This was os that they could offer each other support and hopefully promote what they were doing to a wider audience, in order to help others get involved.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Couple that sit in front of me at The Etihad have been fostering for many years and they're in their 50's. Age is no bar but (in my opinion) you've got to be a bit special to do that job when faced with some of the emotionally damaged kids that you get. Although not all are, as some kids have to go into care for all sorts of reasons, such as illness in the family. To be able to give a kid the love and warmth they need in these situations is a very special gift.

Prior to lockdown, I was trying, via City Matters and CITC, to get together groups of City fans involved in things like fostering, helping disadvantaged teens, mentoring, etc. This was os that they could offer each other support and hopefully promote what they were doing to a wider audience, in order to help others get involved.
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Absolutely PB. That is why assessments are so detailed. Not every assessment has a positive outcome and they look at people’s ability to care for children that have experienced trauma and adverse childhood experiences. Training and support for foster carers is crucial. As is having the right qualities.

I chair a number of foster panels where we consider approval of foster carers, both LA and independent fostering agencies. If you ever need any support or advice on issues relating to fostering / adoption or any aspect of social care for CITC or City Matters don’t hesitate to get hold of me. More than happy to help in any way I can.
 
kaz7 said:
www.thesun.co.uk

Football fans applaud murdered Arthur, 6, in touching sixth-minute tribute

FOOTBALL fans today clapped for a tragic six-year-old boy killed by his dad and stepmum in a touching sixth-minute tribute. Applause rang out at packed stadiums across the country as supporters cam…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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I never know how to react to things like this. I think when tragedy is brought to our attention like this case, in the media, there is a tendency for us, the masses to feel helpless. We look for a gesture that makes us feel good about ourselves. We want to show solidarity with the victim, to show the world that we are not like the awful perpetrators of the heinous crime.
I’d join in the applause too. Don’t get me wrong, but I tend to agree with Asa about the usefulness of it all. It’s too easy to clap ourselves as much as the poor child and then have the horrible incident replaced next week in the media by some other atrocity.

Having said that though, I think it is worth saying, as is proven by some of the entries in this thread, that there are wonderful people out there working for the good of society. Society can seem broken but there is more of us (I include myself hopefully) out there than what we read about sensationally every other day in the media.
I have to believe that or I would personally find it difficult to carry on, myself.
 
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