Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[cadds92]

Can you imagine the furore if the UK govt said it demanded as part of the exit negotiations the right to decide if Catalonia were to remain as a part of Spain?

I truly hope our govt proves it has a backbone. I suspect they will do by the way.

The EU is like any other bully. They're cowards.

Agree.

I have a feeling Spain isn't behind this but rather the EU looking at an opportunity to claim more territory and a way of appeasing one of their current members in Spain where eurosceptism I imagine will only increase because of the unemployment figures and how the Eurozone has affected them.

The EU are looking at all the possible bargaining chips they can get hold of, even in the most Machiavellian way.

The last thing May will want is this whole Gibraltar situation turning into her Falklands equivalent but obviously this time without the possible military presence.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Watched Alex Polizzi series on Spain tonight, she toured the Basque country and then Catalonia, there was not one Spanish flag in sight, the Spaniards need to be careful what they wish for

That was a good watch that programme.

I'm still awaiting the howls from the remainers that this stance from the EU is "disgusting" and "wrong".

 

[sir baconface]

Fcuk you, Spain, or this is how your fishing fleet will end up.

 

[johnmc]

Educate me. Gibraltar is a British territory obviously but its clearly Spain if you look on a map. I understand the people of Gibraltar want to remain British as well. But they have their own football team don't they. They played Wales recently I think. Anyway I presume that makes them a country in its own right. And as I understand they were nearly universal in the desire to remain in the EU.

So Scotland want to remain EU and are trying to force a referendum to leave the uk as such and remain in the EU.

What do Gibraltar do who want both Britishness and membership of the EU. What do they value most.

 

[TCIB]

Educate me. Gibraltar is a British territory obviously but its clearly Spain if you look on a map. I understand the people of Gibraltar want to remain British as well. But they have their own football team don't they. They played Wales recently I think. Anyway I presume that makes them a country in its own right. And as I understand they were nearly universal in the desire to remain in the EU.

So Scotland want to remain EU and are trying to force a referendum to leave the uk as such and remain in the EU.

What do Gibraltar do who want both Britishness and membership of the EU. What do they value most.

Free health care.

 

[The perfect fumble]

We've missed you here. Have you been under heavy sedation?

I can only take so much Land of Hope and Glory.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Agree.

Am I correct in saying that Britain in Spain's biggest export location as well?

Why the EU want to turn this into a possible territorial war as well as a trade war just goes to show the true colours running through that awful institution.

I think if they carry on as they are more remainers will turn to leavers.

No your not correct.
Germany will deffo be ahead of us and France, probably Italy too.

Gibraltar is a lot to do with Madrid, exactly the same as Dublin. They will not want another border than needs checking every 5 minutes. if anything they would almost certainly just close it. I doubt they would give a fuck. They seem quite happy to see the UK consul running around crying every five minutes because they are dicking about in and around the waters off the coast.

The English influence in Spain bar a very few areas is diminishing as their pensions drop the old giffers are spending less and putting the local hospitals under tremendous strain. Few of working age are in the actual Spanish economy as they have problems speaking the language well enough and the general cockwomblery of thinking they are doing the Spanish a service being there, setting up estate agents, working for club 18-30 and other assorted ramshackle wastes of time. Ecuadorians and Colombians are grafters who speak the language and get on with it. Even the Moroccans do better. The Chinese are steaming in too, setting up businesses and getting on with it whilst the Brits look slowly into their beer and wonder how long they will last before getting the inhaler out.
What is holding up Spain at the moment is the country is behind the curve on certain industries needing to diversify. The government is trying to change employment laws so it reflects the pit of shit that current UK employment laws are promoting such as the gig economy and the zero hour contracts. Fortunately the workers are having none of it and the unions are well organised. Things will change though as the highly skilled info and high tech industry continues to increase and will spread through the economy. Start ups and energy plus hi tech businesses are also working well with the Germans and developing excellent relations.
They also have a firm grip on many industries in the UK including clothing, Banks, airports, mobile phones and energy all sold by the UK and all the money being pumped back to Spain. Aye, really going to give a fuck about the UK.

 

[mcfc1632]

No your not correct.
Germany will deffo be ahead of us and France, probably Italy too.

Gibraltar is a lot to do with Madrid, exactly the same as Dublin. They will not want another border than needs checking every 5 minutes. if anything they would almost certainly just close it. I doubt they would give a fuck. They seem quite happy to see the UK consul running around crying every five minutes because they are dicking about in and around the waters off the coast.

The English influence in Spain bar a very few areas is diminishing as their pensions drop the old giffers are spending less and putting the local hospitals under tremendous strain. Few of working age are in the actual Spanish economy as they have problems speaking the language well enough and the general cockwomblery of thinking they are doing the Spanish a service being there, setting up estate agents, working for club 18-30 and other assorted ramshackle wastes of time. Ecuadorians and Colombians are grafters who speak the language and get on with it. Even the Moroccans do better. The Chinese are steaming in too, setting up businesses and getting on with it whilst the Brits look slowly into their beer and wonder how long they will last before getting the inhaler out.
What is holding up Spain at the moment is the country is behind the curve on certain industries needing to diversify. The government is trying to change employment laws so it reflects the pit of shit that current UK employment laws are promoting such as the gig economy and the zero hour contracts. Fortunately the workers are having none of it and the unions are well organised. Things will change though as the highly skilled info and high tech industry continues to increase and will spread through the economy. Start ups and energy plus hi tech businesses are also working well with the Germans and developing excellent relations.
They also have a firm grip on many industries in the UK including clothing, Banks, airports, mobile phones and energy all sold by the UK and all the money being pumped back to Spain. Aye, really going to give a fuck about the UK.

The top export destinations of Spain are France ($36.6B), Germany ($28.1B), Portugal ($21.9B), the United Kingdom ($21.4B) and Italy ($19.5B). The top import origins are Germany ($40.9B), France ($33.7B), China ($26.2B), Italy ($19.7B) and the United Kingdom ($13.8B).

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

The top export destinations of Spain are France ($36.6B), Germany ($28.1B), Portugal ($21.9B), the United Kingdom ($21.4B) and Italy ($19.5B). The top import origins are Germany ($40.9B), France ($33.7B), China ($26.2B), Italy ($19.7B) and the United Kingdom ($13.8B).

A bit more of a breakdown on here

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top-UK-imports.html

 

[KenTheLandlord]

A bit more of a breakdown on here

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top-UK-imports.html

The Uk slips even further down using that site.
http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top-spain-imports.html

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

The Uk slips even further down using that site.
http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/top-spain-imports.html

So it does.

 

[Vic]

60 years of peace and 2 days into negotiations we're talking about war with Spain. Well at least some on here are.

I think someone made the point that the referendum result was despite the possibility that Leave would stir up the Gibraltar issue (and why Gib voted Remain). So why are Leavers getting upset about what they voted for?

Our resident negotiating expert presumably thinks it's an excellent initial negotiating stance by the EU.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I'm not at all upset about it.
What Spain is doing will solidify the UK's hard line position. By bringing Gib into the debate the EU is simply strengthening our position.

 

[blueish swede]

Spain is to be given a veto over the future of Gibraltar
The EU's initial draft negotiating guidelines said any brexit agreement should not apply to Gibraltar without "agreement between the kingdom of Spain and the UK"
I can't get my head around this, if Gibraltar is British what's it got to do with Madrid? The Spanish have been told repeatedly by the Gibraltarians that they want nothing to do with Spain

A remainer writes:

Given a veto by who? The terms of leaving the EU are laid out in article 50 and no one country has a veto under those terms. It is decided by a majority of countries and a majority of the population, iir.
The UK has already given notice under the present terms so no changes to Article 50 can affect the process with the UK. Changes for future events would need to be agreed betwen the Council of Ministers.
The EU is also still bound by EU law and EU contract law. Like the Bosman ruling there are laws within the EU which prevent unconscionable contracts - contracts where one side uses it's superior bargining position to force the other party in to excessively unfair terms.

I think this is another EU "straight banana" story.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Educate me. Gibraltar is a British territory obviously but its clearly Spain if you look on a map. I understand the people of Gibraltar want to remain British as well. But they have their own football team don't they. They played Wales recently I think. Anyway I presume that makes them a country in its own right. And as I understand they were nearly universal in the desire to remain in the EU.

So Scotland want to remain EU and are trying to force a referendum to leave the uk as such and remain in the EU.

What do Gibraltar do who want both Britishness and membership of the EU. What do they value most.

If you look at a map Portugal is clearly Spain and Ceuta is clearly Moroccan. And has been mentioned Catalonia ends this debate before it starts.

 

[blueinsa]

I'm not at all upset about it.
What Spain is doing will solidify the UK's hard line position. By bringing Gib into the debate the EU is simply strengthening our position.

Agreed.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

60 years of peace and 2 days into negotiations we're talking about war with Spain. Well at least some on here are.

I think someone made the point that the referendum result was despite the possibility that Leave would stir up the Gibraltar issue (and why Gib voted Remain). So why are Leavers getting upset about what they voted for?

Our resident negotiating expert presumably thinks it's an excellent initial negotiating stance by the EU.

Yep and back home in time for tea and medals.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

60 years of peace and 2 days into negotiations we're talking about war with Spain. Well at least some on here are.

I think someone made the point that the referendum result was despite the possibility that Leave would stir up the Gibraltar issue (and why Gib voted Remain). So why are Leavers getting upset about what they voted for?

Our resident negotiating expert presumably thinks it's an excellent initial negotiating stance by the EU.

It's nearly 72 years!

 

[Magicpole]

Well to begin with there's an argument that the falling pound will benefit us but that's another argument.

Any minor political change fluctuates the rate so yes the uncertainty would make it drop initially but the long term is guess work. The Bank of England continuously get predictions wrong.

You're very mistaken in thinking this inital drop since Brexit is going to be a continued, steady drop, it will rise again and the same would maybe happen if Scotland voted yes.

However they will never even get to that point so it's a redundant debate.

However they will never even get to that point so it's a redundant debate.[/QUOTE]

Ah well. Good while it lasted.

Just one point. A weakened £ is good for exports but we have a deficit due to imports which are more expensive and exacerbate all our debt. But, that will go away too in the it will all be ok land we now inhabit.

So, moving on. What's your favourite type of supper from the chippy?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

However they will never even get to that point so it's a redundant debate.

Ah well. Good while it lasted.

Just one point. A weakened £ is good for exports but we have a deficit due to imports which are more expensive and exacerbate all our debt. But, that will go away too in the it will all be ok land we now inhabit.

So, moving on. What's your favourite type of supper from the chippy?[/QUOTE]

Tell me do Celtic not have an off topic section on their fans forum? May be you could start one.