Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[inbetween]

It's pretty comical at the moment. David Davis admitting immigration might well go, this butt fcucking the majority of the Brexit voters in one go. This was always inevitable oven that having physical border controls in Ireland is a non starter. On the remain side, another bunch of deluded pusstajers thinking they can set six tests for the final Brexit deal.

I hope we prosper out of the EU but I have one question. Our nation was supposed to be Trippier by an entrepreneurial zeal following the Brexit vote. Can I ask Bluemooners how many of you have set up new businesses (since the vote) that you wouldn't have contemplated before the vote?

Nothing much will change. Anyone could start a business selling stuff anywhere in the world tomorrow but that is no good if no-one wants to buy their stuff. Our company is bidding for a big Australian supply contract, membership of the EU has no relevance to it's success.

Trade deals and political unions do not create trade. This is why any arguments on trade are just far too simplistic to even be relevant. I've read people on here say of tariffs come in and EU trade suffers we will just sell more to other countries outside of the EU to make up for deficits but why aren't we just doing that already?

It is inevitable that EU trade will be affected because the best deal for trade is the one we already have. How we respond to the currently unknown conditions will decide whether ultimately we do better or not, we will never know if it was for better or worse. In my mind trade will suffer but only to a small degree, the key will be whether new opportunities are created and that has more to do with the response of businesses creating them rather than us as a country signing a piece of paper.

We could sign a trade deal with every single country in the world and it is wholly possible it would create zero business.

 

[smudgedj]

Nice one.

 

[smudgedj]

I see we already have naval experts on here - a couple of River class boats to cover a 200 mile limit from the Shetlands to the Scillies. No problem. Or a section of Royal marines in small boats guided in by a nimrod.

That should be fun in a force 8 (6 hours to get the 200 mile limit and not enough fuel to get back).

EH?
River class

Who would have thought that 5500 nautical miles is only 200 'real' miles.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Hand delivered letter! Why not pdf and email and save a £10-20k junket for the UK ambassador and his entourage.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Hand delivered letter! Why not pdf and email and save a £10-20k junket for the UK ambassador and his entourage.

I'd just tweet/fb the letter to the cunts and turn my phone off for a week.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Enforcing fishing limits: it's a bit like the old mind-your-car joke - can your dog put out fires? Can your boat breed fish? (Fishing science - the evidence and risk of overfishing and stocks collapsing - is often at odds with fishermen's perception of abundant stock.) Once we're out of the EU, will we have to have our own "red tape" quango to prevent our own fishing fleets overfishing? We'll still be part of the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea whose advice goes into the EU's fisheries policies.

I see we already have naval experts on here - a couple of River class boats to cover a 200 mile limit from the Shetlands to the Scillies. No problem. Or a section of Royal marines in small boats guided in by a nimrod.

That should be fun in a force 8 (6 hours to get the 200 mile limit and not enough fuel to get back).

Marvellous.

You wonder how this maritime nation, a nation of fishing communities all around our coastline, ever managed to drag a reluctant cod out of the briny sea every day for a thousand years without the support and indeed permission of our EU colleagues.

We are on the road to freedom. Get used to it.

If a uk govt decides we need to harvest less fish for a year or five in order to preserve and protect stocks then so be it. That will be a decision from a govt voted on by you and I. A uk govt answerable to a uk electorate.

Britain is back. The hard right, racially supremacist, banker friendly, worker hating EU is being served notice.

There will be tears in the coffee shops of Chorlton and Didsbury this evening.

Not a day too soon.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Enforcing fishing limits: it's a bit like the old mind-your-car joke - can your dog put out fires? Can your boat breed fish? (Fishing science - the evidence and risk of overfishing and stocks collapsing - is often at odds with fishermen's perception of abundant stock.) Once we're out of the EU, will we have to have our own "red tape" quango to prevent our own fishing fleets overfishing? We'll still be part of the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea whose advice goes into the EU's fisheries policies.

I see we already have naval experts on here - a couple of River class boats to cover a 200 mile limit from the Shetlands to the Scillies. No problem. Or a section of Royal marines in small boats guided in by a nimrod.

That should be fun in a force 8 (6 hours to get the 200 mile limit and not enough fuel to get back).

Surely easier to conduct air strikes against foreign fishing boats. We could use the Eurofighter sqns in Scotland and Lincolnshire - I'm sure the irony would not be lost on the cunts.

 

[Damocles]

I tend to think that this will work out in the end that the EU will undergo significant reform to its structure, taking on the points that made Brexit happen and we'll eventually end up back in a generation or two.

This is the thing - the EU cannot be reformed without dramatic action. No elected body has the power to introduce legislation to it - only to vote. The Council can potentially ask the Commission to do away with themselves but it has to be unanimous and they can say no.

The only way the EU would reform is if they felt they were on the verge of death. British special pleading for the past 25 years has achieved little reform, maybe British leaving with the French, Spanish and Italians all looking on intriguingly will provoke it.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Nothing much will change. Anyone could start a business selling stuff anywhere in the world tomorrow but that is no good if no-one wants to buy their stuff. Our company is bidding for a big Australian supply contract, membership of the EU has no relevance to it's success.

Trade deals and political unions do not create trade. This is why any arguments on trade are just far too simplistic to even be relevant. I've read people on here say of tariffs come in and EU trade suffers we will just sell more to other countries outside of the EU to make up for deficits but why aren't we just doing that already?

It is inevitable that EU trade will be affected because the best deal for trade is the one we already have. How we respond to the currently unknown conditions will decide whether ultimately we do better or not, we will never know if it was for better or worse. In my mind trade will suffer but only to a small degree, the key will be whether new opportunities are created and that has more to do with the response of businesses creating them rather than us as a country signing a piece of paper.

We could sign a trade deal with every single country in the world and it is wholly possible it would create zero business.

Thanks inbetween for your helpful response. I agree with much of what you wrote. You take a strategic approach to Brexit and trade deals and I was looking for a reaction from posters who said Brexit would unleash an entrepreneurial force.

This was a bit tongue in cheek. I know the research evidence that shows entrepreneurs take a calculated/ evidence based approach to business risk e.g. Compared to bankers.

As I said before, I hope we make a success of Brexit and take advantage of other opportunities that arise. Hopefully, the Brexit negotiations are amicable, regardless of whether we secure a trade deal to access EU markets or not (or face WTO tariffs). When I worked in the EU for a while, one of our problems was that we / UK PLC gloated when we blocked a deal or Directive that wasn't in our short term best interests. This just built up resentment and was counter productive in the long run.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Goodbye EU, good luck when these financially sound stable countries join.
Turkey
Bosnia
Albania
Macedonia
Serbia
Kosovo
Montenegro

I've been working in the Balkans this week and these lot can't wait to join. At this point they will doubtless expect to be financially propped up by the EU instead of the UN. Absolute money pit with no chance of producing much more than another genocidal war in the next 50 years.