Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[kevin horlocks wand]

Now the debate has been had, the referendum won, the legal challenge made, the house of commons vote and the final triggering of article 50, does anyone think the snipers and protesters will actually stop and their energy channelled into arguing (ney, even supporting) the country to get the best deal possible. The argument between remain and leave has been done to death and surely now the debate needs to be getting/supporting the UK to get the best deal with the exit from the EU.

 

[Damocles]

Thanks inbetween for your helpful response. I agree with much of what you wrote. You take a strategic approach to Brexit and trade deals and I was looking for a reaction from posters who said Brexit would unleash an entrepreneurial force.

Let's presume for a minute that this was 100% true and absolutely definitely happened.

How would we know?

Let's otherwise presume that this was 100% and definitely didn't happen.

Again, how would we know?

The premise that leaving the EU would help entrepreneurial efforts cannot be shown until we've actually left the EU, because until then we're still under EU legislation.

 

[Damocles]

Now the debate has been had, the referendum won, the legal challenge made, the house of commons vote and the final triggering of article 50, does anyone think the snipers and protesters will actually stop and their energy channelled into arguing (ney, even supporting) the country to get the best deal possible. The argument between remain and leave has been done to death and surely now the debate needs to be getting/supporting the UK to get the best deal with the exit from the EU.

No.

It's not about democracy and being heard for many of them, it's about denial and a childish tantrum that the world dared not agree with them. I've got fucking ranks of them on Twitter.

 

[inbetween]

Let's presume for a minute that this was 100% true and absolutely definitely happened.

How would we know?

Let's otherwise presume that this was 100% and definitely didn't happen.

Again, how would we know?

The premise that leaving the EU would help entrepreneurial efforts cannot be shown until we've actually left the EU, because until then we're still under EU legislation.

Legislation does not create business and EU legislation will continue to apply after Brexit although at that point we can change it.

If anything to me the only real obvious growth industry as a result of this whole thing will be for the lawyers..

 

[smudgedj]

Now the debate has been had, the referendum won, the legal challenge made, the house of commons vote and the final triggering of article 50, does anyone think the snipers and protesters will actually stop and their energy channelled into arguing (ney, even supporting) the country to get the best deal possible. The argument between remain and leave has been done to death and surely now the debate needs to be getting/supporting the UK to get the best deal with the exit from the EU.

Their arguments now should be to join the EU from outside. Explaining how giving up sovereignty, control of borders, laws and accepting the Euro will be a benefit to us.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I can't see what all the fuss is about. Surely all we need to say to these folk is that come - insert date - we're leaving and not coming back. And then we see what the might of Mercedes, Volkswagen, Lanson, Chanel, 240 French cheesemakers have by way of instructing their governments re 'business' as usual!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Let's presume for a minute that this was 100% true and absolutely definitely happened.

How would we know?

Let's otherwise presume that this was 100% and definitely didn't happen.

Again, how would we know?

The premise that leaving the EU would help entrepreneurial efforts cannot be shown until we've actually left the EU, because until then we're still under EU legislation.

That's true in part but I was focussing on the emotional response to Brexit. The point was the vote was supposed to give some people an immediate lift and unlock an entrepreneurial force acros the nation. As I walk through a gloomy Leeds I don't notice this.

 

[Vic]

EH?
River class

Who would have thought that 5500 nautical miles is only 200 'real' miles.

Oh, please. Just read the post.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Now the debate has been had, the referendum won, the legal challenge made, the house of commons vote and the final triggering of article 50, does anyone think the snipers and protesters will actually stop and their energy channelled into arguing (ney, even supporting) the country to get the best deal possible. The argument between remain and leave has been done to death and surely now the debate needs to be getting/supporting the UK to get the best deal with the exit from the EU.

Go to one hour 13 mins 30 seconds for the start of this surrender monkey's interview

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08k5d4h/breakfast-29032017

I'm so fucking glad I'm not relying on him in a fight

 

[Vic]

Marvellous.

You wonder how this maritime nation, a nation of fishing communities all around our coastline, ever managed to drag a reluctant cod out of the briny sea every day for a thousand years without the support and indeed permission of our EU colleagues.

We are on the road to freedom. Get used to it.

If a uk govt decides we need to harvest less fish for a year or five in order to preserve and protect stocks then so be it. That will be a decision from a govt voted on by you and I. A uk govt answerable to a uk electorate.

Britain is back. The hard right, racially supremacist, banker friendly, worker hating EU is being served notice.

There will be tears in the coffee shops of Chorlton and Didsbury this evening.

Not a day too soon.

Now that sums up a certain type of Brexiteer. All will be well, and freedom means we can fish all we like and if that causes problems we can do for ourselves what the EU would have done. Except as fish swim and don't know about 200 mile limits, you'd think some international agreements might help.