Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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LOL....You of all people.

Page after page of your rambling hush, hush nonsense, all your predictions turned to dust and yet still you charge on in the face of grapeshot and cannon fire..

Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.

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And there you go again - proving what so many on here comment about the facile nature of your posts to be true.

Such shallow tosh as this is representative of the utter bollocks you have posted since June 2016.

Anyway I have no desire or motivation to 'feed the troll' - as I perceive you to be - so I will leave it there.
 
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What puzzles me more and more each day is how the left and the liberals support globalism, maybe it's because more people from the left and liberals are getting what they want out of globalism ie cheaper goods globe trotting vlogging capabilities and aren't really in it for the ideals those politics extol.

This is the dichotomy that the 'socialists' have consistently failed to address / explain.

If they were really 'true to their beliefs' then they should be the first in the queue to campaign to ensure that Brexit (now the decision has been taken to Leave) actually happens.

Patently a socialist model can never be realised within the EU - so the best chance they have to achieve their dream is to leave the EU and then get a socialist government elected. This opportunity to break free of the EU will not come again.

I think that some are simply faux socialists and others do not understand the theory of such a model but think that it is 'hip' to claim to be socialists.

Yet others it seems are simply contrary by nature. As someone has already said, this is a football forum not a think tank and therefore it should not be a surprise that the quality of their analysis is limited and tribal.
 
The £350 million a week to the NHS will have swayed some to vote brexit.
The demonisation of immigrants/refugees ( " most rapes are by immigrants " ) likewise.
The EU is a communist plot ..... , They need us more than we need them...... Turkey to join the EU next year.... Islam is now the dominant religion in the UK.. English is now a minority language in our schools.....Refugees are only here for our jobs and benefits....Sharia to become compulsory.....
Fake news, or in old money OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIES that illustrate the depths to which our far-right gutter press has sunk. A rerun of the referendum would be fully justified now that the public has realised just how much they were manipulated by the media.
 
I see the Chairmans are trying to stiff us for five more years' contributions to their Exchequer. Did we ever get anything off those shysters for the mayhem they caused last century? I'd amend the bill - Leaving EU £50b minus £60b for war reparations. You owe us £10b and we want it in dollars, Australian, Canadian, American, and no Euros thank you very much!
 
How could I not! All those BMW execs fretting about their mountain of unsold cars, that Prosecco lake undrunk.

Jesus Christ! Those Continental Johnnies are in deep shit.

Found this today, sums up the different mind sets rather well....


In Britain, both the government and much of the public have come to believe that, as confrontational as it may be, Brexit is an issue that both sides have an equal interest in sorting out. It’s as if a mountain were to be climbed by two parallel teams. Whoever comes out on top will be the winner, but the mountain must be conquered by both, otherwise there will be a catastrophic cliff fall.

On the continent, an altogether different metaphor applies. Picture a ship sailing off from a port where it was well anchored, and the port’s many inhabitants wanting to make sure that ship is neither carrying cannons that it may shoot back at them, nor equipment that would make it impossible for the port to thrive.

Those on land also want to know that the departing ship’s captain won’t seek to return as if nothing had changed, and won’t demand a say in how the place develops without abiding by all of the locally agreed rules.

Indeed, the land-people believe, with good reason, that the integrity of those locally agreed rules is what defines their collective identity in the first place. It is what helped them overcome the trauma of self-destruction in a past century, and what allows them to face external and internal challenges today. It is also what their business and trade interests require in an environment of global competition, in which large blocs have a better chance of defending themselves than smaller entities do.

The departing ship is watched with both sadness and concern, but there is no rush to take on its navigation problems. That all of the land-people may not always agree on everything changes little. They’re aligned in letting the port authority discuss an orderly way out for the ship, and they’re keen to keep close contact with it in the future – but within conditions they consider non-negotiable. The point of this metaphor is that there is no common effort. Britain and the EU are not struggling with Brexit together: Britain is seeking its own route, and it is essentially alone in that quandary. On the EU side, there is only one imperative: self-preservation.

If you read the European council guidelines for Brexit negotiations. It’s all there: “no cherry-picking”, “no separate negotiations”. And this: “European integration has brought peace and prosperity to Europe and allowed for an unprecedented level and scope of cooperation in a rapidly changing world. Therefore, the union’s overall objective in these negotiations will be to preserve its interests, those of its citizens, its businesses and its member states.”

Simply put, the EU’s interests lie in preventing the UK from harming or threatening its integration. The EU is not in a race with the UK. Nor is it trying to punish anyone – which is not to say that the defence of EU red lines won’t at times be detrimental to the UK. But again, leaving was Britain’s choice. The EU did not initiate any of this. It believes the onus is on Britain, not on itself, to do what is necessary to avoid a worst-case scenario.

It is not that Michael Barnier, or other EU leaders, have not pointed this out already. The trouble is that so little seems to be trickling down into British perceptions. As a consequence, the mood is souring. The EU is an existential, not a transactional project. Finally grasping that could take Britain a long way.
So, since fumble gave us this rather brilliant illustration of the EU view, mcfc1632 - surely now realising that, if he was right about his own amazing negotiating skills, then this government hasn't got them (or enough peole like him) - says fumble only posts "facile" stuff and metalbiker says "So far, nothing posted on this thread has any substance or gives anyone any understanding of what's going on", presumably including all the posts from metalbiker.

No-one has even hinted that the ship sailing away metaphor is seriously flawed - though I'd have thought that so much of Brexit is based on such an old-fashioned view of the world that the risk would be that the ship could sail over the edge of the world.

Ok so why don't the eu have a trade deal with Canada, china the USA. , you know with all that enormous leverage.
So the EU with all that enormous leverage can't do a deal, but we can get one without any leverage.
 
This is the dichotomy that the 'socialists' have consistently failed to address / explain.

If they were really 'true to their beliefs' then they should be the first in the queue to campaign to ensure that Brexit (now the decision has been taken to Leave) actually happens.

Patently a socialist model can never be realised within the EU - so the best chance they have to achieve their dream is to leave the EU and then get a socialist government elected. This opportunity to break free of the EU will not come again.

I think that some are simply faux socialists and others do not understand the theory of such a model but think that it is 'hip' to claim to be socialists.

Yet others it seems are simply contrary by nature. As someone has already said, this is a football forum not a think tank and therefore it should not be a surprise that the quality of their analysis is limited and tribal.
OMG.
He's back!
 
Anyway today's "news" seems to be either that the election weakened May's negotiating stance to the extent that the exit bill has gone from £30bn to £50bn (I couldn't quite follow why) or, more plausibly, we know what the bill will be but she's not saying it till after the Conservative conference.
 
But you missed the bit where he was telling everyone how daft they were and how clever he was and then he dropped the Vordeman on us. Was a classic. What followed was the greatest impression of Lord Lucan I have ever seen.
A bit harsh, he was 36% right.
 
And there you go again - proving what so many on here comment about the facile nature of your posts to be true.

Such shallow tosh as this is representative of the utter bollocks you have posted since June 2016.

Anyway I have no desire or motivation to 'feed the troll' - as I perceive you to be - so I will leave it there.

Oh please do, it was said off you when you buggered off licking your wounds....nothing became him like his leaving.

I'd like to think of you that way, don't soil it by crawling back in pretending you were right after all.
 
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