Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[The perfect fumble]

Haha fucking hell its like arguing with a child.

I'll leave it here.

You say that, but you never do.

 

[Metal Biker]

If you knew anything at all you'd know the phrase is often used when referring to defeated generals or the Lord of the Manor having been found out fiddling with the stable boy.

Go bother someone more your size.

Whatever you say old man. The closest i've managed to find this term in 'common usage' is that it's from the days of imperialism, so not a popular or well known as you may think it is especially amongst those under 40. One thing that IS agreed upon is that the implication is clear: a person driven to suicide.

So try and justify it all you want.

 

[Vic]

Whatever you say old man. The closest i've managed to find this term in 'common usage' is that it's from the days of imperialism, so not a popular or well known as you may think it is especially amongst those under 40. One thing that IS agreed upon is that the implication is clear: a person driven to suicide.

So try and justify it all you want.

But nothing to do with joking about mental illness which is what you assumed.

I don't think we wrinklies should stop using imperial-era phrases just because younger viewers can't be arsed googling to find out what they mean.

Gosh, I'd have to stop referring to Brexit as the upas tree of British society.

(And isn't "old man" rather ageist?)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

what assets do the EU have then that we should be able to take a share of? the things that have been invested in? wouldn't that then mean that the EU own 50% of everything in this country that has been invested in?

Well, seeing as we're far from being the 8th largest contributor, and have now established that our contributions
greatly outweigh anything the EU deems to give back, anything they have 'invested' here is our own money, less a
fucking great chunk bound for others. So they would have to give an explanation akin to the one given to their auditors, who
never appear to get any answers as to what they're doing with the money, and just where it's gone.
Assets include buildings, works of art and cellars full of vintage plonk, paid for by us in the years we've been members
of this club.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You still haven't come to terms with who has the whip hand in these negotiations.

Tick-tock.

You still haven't come to terms that we're leaving the club, you're that used to being whipped and dominated,
you haven't realised that yet.
Ding-dong.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Well, seeing as we're far from being the 8th largest contributor, and have now established that our contributions
greatly outweigh anything the EU deems to give back, anything they have 'invested' here is our own money, less a
fucking great chunk bound for others. So they would have to give an explanation akin to the one given to their auditors, who
never appear to get any answers as to what they're doing with the money, and just where it's gone.
Assets include buildings, works of art and cellars full of vintage plonk, paid for by us in the years we've been members
of this club.

Not forgetting our rebate paid in arrears plus our 16% stake in the ECB that we can't be a member of when we leave, I'm hoping the Germans after increasing their contributions to cover ours have enough in the kitty to pay us out.

 

[Vic]

Well, seeing as we're far from being the 8th largest contributor, and have now established that our contributions
greatly outweigh anything the EU deems to give back, anything they have 'invested' here is our own money, less a
fucking great chunk bound for others. So they would have to give an explanation akin to the one given to their auditors, who
never appear to get any answers as to what they're doing with the money, and just where it's gone.
Assets include buildings, works of art and cellars full of vintage plonk, paid for by us in the years we've been members
of this club.

Before alternative facts get established, Britain is the 8th largest contributor per head.

What EU opponents failed to grasp is that helping other nations means that everyone benefits - less emigration from those countries (or people going back because Britain is now looking crap) and a wealthier world to buy things (our things if we could be bothered to try and sell them). It has worked which is why more countries are now net contributors than when we joined.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

What EU opponents failed to grasp is that helping other nations means that everyone benefits - less emigration from those countries (or people going back because Britain is now looking crap) and a wealthier world to buy things (our things if we could be bothered to try and sell them).

Well I've read some things on this thread, but this statement takes the proverbial biccy.
Less emigration from EU countries to here? Deary me, I don't know where to start with that one,
I can only presume you've been on Love Island for the last 15 years.

 

[Vic]

It's just obvious isn't it? If poorer nations improve their economy (with EU help) there will be fewer people emigrating.

As for the £5/6 bn annual net contributions, that's less than the taxes paid here by EU immigrants. So Poles here are paying for Britain's contributions to Poland.

 

[stonerblue]

You won't get a response mate.

As can be seen he runs off, like his mate @stonerblue

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[Ban-jani]

What the fuck are you on about?

How is it not clear? You run off when you've made a prat of yourself.

Have you decided which poster "wipes the floor" with me yet? You seemed very confused the other day.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's just obvious isn't it? If poorer nations improve their economy (with EU help) there will be fewer people emigrating.

As for the £5/6 bn annual net contributions, that's less than the taxes paid here by EU immigrants. So Poles here are paying for Britain's contributions to Poland.

Great.
What we need to do then, is follow this logic up with utmost rigour, and start contributing far more in taxes to help
poor countries across the globe, but make sure we import umpteen millions from these countries beforehand to help pay
for those very same contributions.
I don't know why we haven't thought of this before.

 

[Metal Biker]

But nothing to do with joking about mental illness which is what you assumed.

I don't think we wrinklies should stop using imperial-era phrases just because younger viewers can't be arsed googling to find out what they mean.

Gosh, I'd have to stop referring to Brexit as the upas tree of British society.

(And isn't "old man" rather ageist?)

Yes it is. Not nice to be ridiculed, is it. That's the point. Using insults to demean your opponent in debate contributes nothing to it.

And yes you should stop using outdated phrases, especially if they can be interpreted to mean something else that has negative connotations, ('N***** in the woodpile' as an example: Another phrase i'd never heard off until recently and was probably common and accepted once, not so much these days) or haven't you been keeping up with the cultural changes in society recently that we young'uns are trying to eradicate?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Google, its your friend.

https://inews.co.uk/explainers/charts/much-uk-pays-eu-much-get-back/

That's contribution per head, not total contribution.

 

[blueinsa]

Google, its your friend.

https://inews.co.uk/explainers/charts/much-uk-pays-eu-much-get-back/

Sorry but i call complete bullshit on that so called report.

 

[Metal Biker]

Great.
What we need to do then, is follow this logic up with utmost rigour, and start contributing far more in taxes to help
poor countries across the globe, but make sure we import umpteen millions from these countries beforehand to help pay
for those very same contributions.
I don't know why we haven't thought of this before.

Is what Vic saying, about Poles contributing towards Britain's contributions to Poland, kind of wreck the notion that EU migrants boost our economy? You know, one of the key arguments on both sides of the debate and influenced many leavers voting intentions?

 

[smudgedj]

Before alternative facts get established, Britain is the 8th largest contributor per head.

If you don't include the CAP which should be included in the budget seeing as it makes up 42% of the entire EU erm budget. But yeah erm Alternative Facts.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Is what Vic saying, about Poles contributing towards Britain's contributions to Poland, kind of wreck the notion that EU migrants boost our economy? You know, one of the key arguments on both sides of the debate and influenced many leavers voting intentions?

Yes, it would appear so, when we've actually left this organisation, and the world is our lobster, to quote Del
Boy, we can solve many problems here and worldwide, using this new and exciting economic principle.
The Sudan is plagued by dire poverty? Simples, advertise for 5 million Sudanese to settle here, the tax they then
pay, not only supports themselves, but contributes to lifting out of poverty the poor saps back home who didn't
manage to get here.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Sorry but i call complete bullshit on that so called report.

So do I, as that is exactly what it is.

 

[Vic]

Is what Vic saying, about Poles contributing towards Britain's contributions to Poland, kind of wreck the notion that EU migrants boost our economy? You know, one of the key arguments on both sides of the debate and influenced many leavers voting intentions?

Of course it boosts our economy as well. They're employed to make things or move things or sell things so unless their employers are doing it out of charity of course it boosts our economy.

Yes, letting in millions would boost the economy - it worked for the USA - but you have to weigh that against the known problems of pressure on housing etc (and more Poles needed to build the houses) and that so many people hate foreigners.

And it's lovely to see people "calling bullshit" on statistics with no alternative source for their alternative facts.