Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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You still haven't come to terms that we're leaving the club, you're that used to being whipped and dominated,
you haven't realised that yet.
Ding-dong.

I'm quite sanguine about things, this cock up is unfolding as I suspected it would, there are only two scenarios now, we don't leave or we leave in so tame a fashion as makes no difference.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
 
Whatever you say old man. The closest i've managed to find this term in 'common usage' is that it's from the days of imperialism, so not a popular or well known as you may think it is especially amongst those under 40. One thing that IS agreed upon is that the implication is clear: a person driven to suicide.

So try and justify it all you want.

Oh do grow up.
 
I'm quite sanguine about things, this cock up is unfolding as I suspected it would, there are only two scenarios now, we don't leave or we leave in so tame a fashion as makes no difference.

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
Page 397, Article 50 Brexit Negotiations.
We'll revisit this at a later date.
 
Anyone with a serious interest in this subject should read the latest book by the ex Greece Finance Minister Janis Varoufakis "Adults in the Room, My battle with Europe's deep establishment". A fascinating insight into the inner workings of the EU and how it is impossible to negotiate anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/03/yanis-varoufakis-greece-greatest-political-memoir

Having read the book the only conclusion I can draw is that we should leave now. I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who has read the book and doesn't feel the same.
 
Anyone with a serious interest in this subject should read the latest book by the ex Greece Finance Minister Janis Varoufakis "Adults in the Room, My battle with Europe's deep establishment". A fascinating insight into the inner workings of the EU and how it is impossible to negotiate anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/03/yanis-varoufakis-greece-greatest-political-memoir

Having read the book the only conclusion I can draw is that we should leave now. I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who has read the book and doesn't feel the same.
When you say leave 'now' you mean tonight, tomorrow?
What about aircraft landing rights, all the regulatory bodies that have to be set up to replace the existing EU ones to make sure things like aircraft are safe,drugs are safe etc., not to mention the customs chaos at Dover and a billion and one other things that haven't yet been sorted that govern our everyday life.
Answers on a post card please to the "Brexit let's leave right here right now and fcuk the chaos society"
Neasden.
 
Anyone with a serious interest in this subject should read the latest book by the ex Greece Finance Minister Janis Varoufakis "Adults in the Room, My battle with Europe's deep establishment". A fascinating insight into the inner workings of the EU and how it is impossible to negotiate anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/03/yanis-varoufakis-greece-greatest-political-memoir

Having read the book the only conclusion I can draw is that we should leave now. I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who has read the book and doesn't feel the same.
The author? Brexit bad for the left, bad for the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ld-be-the-worst-of-all-worlds-says-varoufakis

https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2016/03/04/brexit-will-hasten-collapse-of-european-union/
 
When you say leave 'now' you mean tonight, tomorrow?
What about aircraft landing rights, all the regulatory bodies that have to be set up to replace the existing EU ones to make sure things like aircraft are safe,drugs are safe etc., not to mention the customs chaos at Dover and a billion and one other things that haven't yet been sorted that govern our everyday life.
Answers on a post card please to the "Brexit let's leave right here right now and fcuk the chaos society"
Neasden.

Let's keep the status quo because change is hard, well done you, we all want revolution unless it's a bit of a bother
 
When you say leave 'now' you mean tonight, tomorrow?
What about aircraft landing rights, all the regulatory bodies that have to be set up to replace the existing EU ones to make sure things like aircraft are safe,drugs are safe etc., not to mention the customs chaos at Dover and a billion and one other things that haven't yet been sorted that govern our everyday life.
Answers on a post card please to the "Brexit let's leave right here right now and fcuk the chaos society"
Neasden.
The CAA regulates aircraft safety of British operators and is probably the best in the World, personally I'm not certain what regulates European air travel. There's been chaos at Dover for years usually trying to find criminals in trucks and with the amount of litigation lawyers who've sprung up in the UK I'm sure companies will ensure drugs are safe,so I'm pretty sure these things will be sorted well before we depart.
 
When you say leave 'now' you mean tonight, tomorrow?
What about aircraft landing rights, all the regulatory bodies that have to be set up to replace the existing EU ones to make sure things like aircraft are safe,drugs are safe etc., not to mention the customs chaos at Dover and a billion and one other things that haven't yet been sorted that govern our everyday life.
Answers on a post card please to the "Brexit let's leave right here right now and fcuk the chaos society"
Neasden.

Have you read the book? The EU ties nations in knots through regulations. To gain agreement on even the major regulations would take forever never mind the shape and size of bananas.

If we don't leave we give up any notion of sovereignty, control of borders and continue to be a fiefdom of greater Germany. If you think this is a ridiculous statement which no doubt you will, I say once more, read the book.
 

I remember him being interviewed several times during the brexit election process urging Britain to stay. He's Greek and understands that Greece's only hope, no matter how forlorn and remote is a reformed EU. It's called self interest. I doubt his view would be the same if he were British.
 
So you reckon he's against Brexit because he's Greek but would be in favour if he was British? I think there's a technical name for that sort of argument.

Cobblers.
 
So you reckon he's against Brexit because he's Greek but would be in favour if he was British? I think there's a technical name for that sort of argument.

Cobblers.

Speaking of which, i have done i small and not very scientific study of my customers, and roughly 10% are immigrants with a total spend of around £100 a week.
 
So you reckon he's against Brexit because he's Greek but would be in favour if he was British? I think there's a technical name for that sort of argument.

Cobblers.

It's far from cobblers, it's a fairly simple concept called self interest. Yanis frequently says he sees Europe from the Greek perspective. They've tried Grexit and despite the people of Greece giving the government the mandate to leave, the European institutions wouldn't let them.

Personally I don't think we will leave. We will waste two years trying to negotiate with the EU who don't want to negotiate. You can only negotiate with people who want to negotiate and negotiationing a neat and tidy exit for Britain is not in the EU's best interests. Read the book.
 
Let's keep the status quo because change is hard, well done you, we all want revolution unless it's a bit of a bother
My question to him was simply about the problems caused by leaving the EU "NOW" i.e. this morning, as he had suggested. It had nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of leaving the EU ,simply the timing.
You deliberately chose to ignore this and instead went full on with your 'Citizen Smith' strawman.
 
My question to him was simply about the problems caused by leaving the EU "NOW" i.e. this morning, as he had suggested. It had nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of leaving the EU ,simply the timing.
You deliberately chose to ignore this and instead went full on with your 'Citizen Smith' strawman.

Not deliberately
 
Can I ask the socialists on here, that are in favour of remaining in the EU, what they wish to achieve by remaining?

Are you optimistic that one day the EU will turn into a socialist utopia and ditch the international capitalist set up it has now?

It's not a loaded question, I'm keen to hear what some of you have to say.
 
My question to him was simply about the problems caused by leaving the EU "NOW" i.e. this morning, as he had suggested. It had nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of leaving the EU ,simply the timing.
You deliberately chose to ignore this and instead went full on with your 'Citizen Smith' strawman.

I didn't say we need to leave "this morning". My point was that we can attempt to sort things out with the EU until the cows come home and wont make a yard of headway. You need to understand that the EU doesn't want us to leave and will do EVERYTHING it can to prevent us from leaving. Against a background where negotiation is impossible and the more we attempt to untangle things the more tangled things become, we are logically faced with only two choices. Stay and forget the whole thing or leave now.
 
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