Ding Dong said:It was [ to use a referee`s term ] Reckless and out of control. Therefore a straight red. If you watch the replay as Zabba is clearing the ball with his right leg, wellbeck clatters into his left leg [ standing leg ] Dangerous play.teddykgb said:Neville Kneville said:Can't believe people saying Wellbeck's challenge wasn't a red.
That's bollocks. It was out of control & dangerous. He made no effort to minimise the danger to Zabba, just went straight through with it.
Fellaini's was a red obviously, but the worst Zabba would get from that is a few loose teeth or a broken nose. He was very very lucky not to have a broken leg from Wellbeck's challenge. It was made with a total disregard to the outcome.
He slipped. It was incredibly dangerous, but it's hard to ascribe any malicious intent. I'm not really wanting to watch a sport where people can't run at top speed after balls because they're liable to be sent off if they slip on wet grass.
I mean, he's a red and I'm ecstatic if he gets sent off, but unlike Fellaini I think the ref probably got that one right. A red would have been harsh.
The " malicious intent " comes because wellbeck overruns the ball and lunges out of control into Zabba`s standing leg.
As for fellainis assault i dont think that needs explaining, just a straight red no question.
Yes but a challenge that endangers the safety of an opposition player by use of excessive force is a red, think that's what he meant. imo wellshit's was a yellow though, ref got it right.es1 said:Ding Dong said:It was [ to use a referee`s term ] Reckless and out of control. Therefore a straight red. If you watch the replay as Zabba is clearing the ball with his right leg, wellbeck clatters into his left leg [ standing leg ] Dangerous play.teddykgb said:He slipped. It was incredibly dangerous, but it's hard to ascribe any malicious intent. I'm not really wanting to watch a sport where people can't run at top speed after balls because they're liable to be sent off if they slip on wet grass.
I mean, he's a red and I'm ecstatic if he gets sent off, but unlike Fellaini I think the ref probably got that one right. A red would have been harsh.
The " malicious intent " comes because wellbeck overruns the ball and lunges out of control into Zabba`s standing leg.
As for fellainis assault i dont think that needs explaining, just a straight red no question.
to correct you here...a reckless foul, as stated in the laws of the game, is punishable by a yellow card
everyone who keeps stating that a reckless foul = red card is 100% incorrect!
aguero93:20 said:Yes but a challenge that endangers the safety of an opposition player by use of excessive force is a red, think that's what he meant. imo wellshit's was a yellow though, ref got it right.es1 said:Ding Dong said:It was [ to use a referee`s term ] Reckless and out of control. Therefore a straight red. If you watch the replay as Zabba is clearing the ball with his right leg, wellbeck clatters into his left leg [ standing leg ] Dangerous play.
The " malicious intent " comes because wellbeck overruns the ball and lunges out of control into Zabba`s standing leg.
As for fellainis assault i dont think that needs explaining, just a straight red no question.
to correct you here...a reckless foul, as stated in the laws of the game, is punishable by a yellow card
everyone who keeps stating that a reckless foul = red card is 100% incorrect!
aguero93:20 said:Probably because Zaba, being a hard ****, doesn't worry about getting a broken nose/eyesocket/teeth/jaw as it doesn't endanger his career, a broken leg on the other hand......Astley Lad said:I can understand that Wellbecks challenge looked 50/50 on the telly but reading some quotes from Zabba he barely mentions Fellaini's elbow but says Wellbecks was a potential leg breaker.
Chippy_boy said:Can Oliver be hauled over the coals for the Fellaini elbow?
Surely the most basic requirement of a referee is to understand the rules and apply them correctly. Now if he doesn't see something, he can use that as some sort of defence.
But clearly in this case, he did see it. (a) video replays show him directly witnessing it, (b) he immediately gave a yellow card without consulting linesmen, so obviously he saw it. He cannot claim not to have seen it as a defence.
So what are the FA to make of this? Oliver is either incompetent, or corrupt. There can be no other explanation for not giving a straight red. Surely he has to be in serious trouble over this?