Atmosphere - 2023/24

[Edghill OG]

I might have mentioned this before lol but when waved at the Tunnel Club against West Ham last season, I got a chant of Come on City going they spread around the ground. Thst was my one and only visit to the Tunnel Club lol.

Must have dragged the rest of Harrogate Supporters Club in there with you mate. Haha.

 

[Axel Freed]

Let’s get one thing straight, I have absolutely no love for Liverpool fans. I dislike them like the vast majority of City fans do, especially after the coach attack, the hacking, the cowardly plastic pot filled coin attack on a City fan, and their general antics against City, Pep, our players, and our fans.

But.

Why because he’s telling the truth? That isn’t bigging the Scousers up. The fact is Liverpool fans do stay until the end of the match to support and to applaud the team, as a rule. Some, a very few do leave early. You don’t ever see Klopp going to a half empty KOP clapping them and doing his annoying fist pumping in-front of them.(I’m not asking or expecting Pep to do that). As others have stated, if our support had stayed until full time and supported the team instead of leaving early and staying quiet, maybe the recent draws at home would have turned into wins? Maybe not?

You're not comparing like with like here because you don’t have the evidence.

At City you’re there so you can see with your own eyes how many people leave early and which stands are relatively empty. So to quote Khaldoon you have a “comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence” to support your position

You’re not at Anfield, so you only get tv pics which often don’t show the backs of the stands or indeed all of the stands so you can’t form an accurate picture of how many early leavers there are.

 

[jrb]

You're not comparing like with like here because you don’t have the evidence.

At City you’re there so you can see with your own eyes how many people leave early and which stands are relatively empty. So to quote Khaldoon you have a “comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence” to support your position

You’re not at Anfield, so you only get tv pics which often don’t show the backs of the stands or indeed all of the stands so you can’t form an accurate picture of how many early leavers there are.

You can think what you want. Come at it from any angle you want. More Liverpool fans stay until the final whistle at Anfield, than City fans stay until the final whistle at the Etihad. That’s a fact.

I go to Anfield every season when City play there. (I would like to see City win there again) Bar some early leavers in the main stand to the right of the away end, which I’ve seen with my own eyes, the rest of Anfield is pretty much full. You don’t see a mass exodus on the KOP, which holds just under 13,000 fans, 10 minutes before the final whistle.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going argue over it. I know what I see at the Etihad and at Anfield.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

You can think what you want. Come at it from any angle you want. More Liverpool fans stay until the final whistle at Anfield, than City fans stay until the final whistle at the Etihad. That’s a fact.

I go to Anfield every season when City play there. (I would like to see City win there again) Bar some early leavers in the main stand to the right of the away end, which I’ve seen with my own eyes, the rest of Anfield is pretty much full. You don’t see a mass exodus on the KOP, which holds just under 13,000 fans, 10 minutes before the final whistle.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going argue over it. I know what I see at the Etihad and at Anfield.

Your posts are nearly always driven by large amounts of “Confirmation Bias”, jrb. I’ve said it many times. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder where you are constantly comparing City to other clubs and finding City coming up short.

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

Absolutely nonsense

Okay tell me your facts then?

 

[jrb]

Your posts are nearly always driven by large amounts of “Confirmation Bias”, jrb. I’ve said it many times. You seem to have a real chip on your shoulder where you are constantly comparing City to other clubs and finding City coming up short.

Not at all mate. You know that isn’t true. And so do other BM forum members. My posts are honest. I don’t post what I don’t think is the truth, and what I don’t believe in. I don’t post just to get a reaction and to piss off other City fans and BM forum members off on purpose. I reply in honesty and in good faith. I have stuck up and supported City throughout my life, including on BM, and I always will, just like you have and every other City fan has. I’ve criticised City when I felt it necessary to criticise City and City fans. I’m by no means a perfect City fan. I have missed home matches. I have left matches early, not staying until full-time, etc. At the end of the day BM is a forum about views and opinions. Not everyone will agree with me, you, or other BM forum members. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s the nature of a football forum, and part of being a football fan. Saying that, one thing we can all agree on is that Liverpool fans are…....(fill in as appropriate)

 

[mcfcphil]

You can think what you want. Come at it from any angle you want. More Liverpool fans stay until the final whistle at Anfield, than City fans stay until the final whistle at the Etihad. That’s a fact.

I go to Anfield every season when City play there. (I would like to see City win there again) Bar some early leavers in the main stand to the right of the away end, which I’ve seen with my own eyes, the rest of Anfield is pretty much full. You don’t see a mass exodus on the KOP, which holds just under 13,000 fans, 10 minutes before the final whistle.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going argue over it. I know what I see at the Etihad and at Anfield.

Comparing early leavers at normal league games at the etihad with Liverpool v city at Anfield which are invariably crucial games which are in the balance until the final whistle is apples and oranges I’m afraid.

Go to Liverpool v Fulham when it’s 3-0 at 80 minutes and report back.

(And I am someone who does stay to the end every match and don’t understand the mentality of leaving a game early)

But also I couldn’t give a fuck about Liverpool and the day we aspire to be like them in any way whatsoever will be an extremely dark day.

 

[jrb]

Comparing early leavers at normal league games at the etihad versus Liverpool v city at Anfield which are invariably crucial games which are in the balance until the final whistle is apples and oranges I’m afraid.

Go to Liverpool v Fulham when it’s 3-0 at 80 minutes and report back.

(And I am someone who does stay to the end every match and don’t understand the mentality of leaving a game early)

But also I couldn’t give a fuck about Liverpool and the day we aspire to be like them in any way whatsoever will be an extremely dark day.

I compared it to those games because I was at those Liverpool v City games. Why am I going to compare it to a Liverpool v Fulham game when I’m not there or watching it on the TV?

I saw City fans leaving early when it was 1-1 against Liverpool at the Etihad. Am I lying? Am I not allowed to say that?

I joined this topic and conversation because another poster posted about Liverpool fans staying until the end of the match in greater numbers than City fans do. There was nothing wrong with that, it’s the truth. I agreed with him. He got shouted down for posting that by another forum member/s.

This conversation and topic of City fans leaving early has been discussed on this thread at length and will continue to be for the rest of the season. It won’t change what happens on the terraces, but still good to read people’s opinions and views as to why it’s happening.(still)

Maybe I should leave this thread early tonight?

 

[AshtonBlueMooner]

I compared it to those games because I was at those Liverpool v City games. Why am I going to compare it to a Liverpool v Fulham game when I’m not there or watching it on the TV?

I saw City fans leaving early when it was 1-1 against Liverpool at the Etihad. Am I lying? Am I not allowed to say that?

I joined this topic and conversation because another poster posted about Liverpool fans staying until the end of the match in greater numbers than City fans do. There was nothing wrong with that, it’s the truth. I agreed with him. He got shouted down for posting that by another forum member/s.

This conversation and topic of City fans leaving early has been discussed on this thread at length and will continue to be for the rest of the season. It won’t change what happens on the terraces, but still good to read people’s opinions and views as to why it’s happening.(still)

Maybe I should leave this thread early tonight?

Every club has fans that leave early. We did at Maine Road and probably Hyde Road before that. We’ve seen fire drills at Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea etc.
Lots of reasons why people do it but we’re no different than others. Only a radical solution would solve it (Should City want it solving)
- Improve TfGM
Would be a very good starting point.

 

[Axel Freed]

You can think what you want. Come at it from any angle you want. More Liverpool fans stay until the final whistle at Anfield, than City fans stay until the final whistle at the Etihad. That’s a fact.

I go to Anfield every season when City play there. (I would like to see City win there again) Bar some early leavers in the main stand to the right of the away end, which I’ve seen with my own eyes, the rest of Anfield is pretty much full. You don’t see a mass exodus on the KOP, which holds just under 13,000 fans, 10 minutes before the final whistle.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going argue over it. I know what I see at the Etihad and at Anfield.

5% of games is a small sample size from which to form a definitive opinion particularly when that game is their biggest of the season and one they invariably do well in

 

[levets]

You can speculate that it has been a factor but there’s no way on earth you can conclude that it has “clearly” been a factor in dropping points.

What cost us dropping points was poor decisions on the pitch, either by our players or the officials…. Nothing else!

 

[shnaghaicityfish]

You can think what you want. Come at it from any angle you want. More Liverpool fans stay until the final whistle at Anfield, than City fans stay until the final whistle at the Etihad. That’s a fact.

I go to Anfield every season when City play there. (I would like to see City win there again) Bar some early leavers in the main stand to the right of the away end, which I’ve seen with my own eyes, the rest of Anfield is pretty much full. You don’t see a mass exodus on the KOP, which holds just under 13,000 fans, 10 minutes before the final whistle.

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m not going argue over it. I know what I see at the Etihad and at Anfield.

Notoriously difficult to escape from a cult…..

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

What cost us dropping points was poor decisions on the pitch, either by our players or the officials…. Nothing else!

I agree to differ.. a good crowd that backs this wonderful team of ours in vocal support when the chips are down and stays till the end is so much more positive for the manager and the team. I strongly believe when we have struggled in games( and we have recently ) the crowd need to lift this team over the line and I believe the draws would have turned into wins. Pep has said it before time and again as has Klopp.. we need our crowd!!! JRB mentions some really good points.. he is a good poster on here like many others.. he cares about the passion of everything blue. That Liverpool crowd is helping them enormously and are right with their team and it’s giving them momentum. Our home support needs to aspire to our amazing away crowd and be like them at home., This City team deserves a good home crowd.win lose or draw. It’s looking like a manc scouse title run in again. I say get behind them.

 

[Beaker]

I agree to differ.. a good crowd that backs this wonderful team of ours in vocal support when the chips are down and stays till the end is so much more positive for the manager and the team. I strongly believe when we have struggled in games( and we have recently ) the crowd need to lift this team over the line and I believe the draws would have turned into wins. Pep has said it before time and again as has Klopp.. we need our crowd!!! JRB mentions some really good points.. he is a good poster on here like many others.. he cares about the passion of everything blue. That Liverpool crowd is helping them enormously and are right with their team and it’s giving them momentum. Our home support needs to aspire to our amazing away crowd and be like them at home., This City team deserves a good home crowd.win lose or draw. It’s looking like a manc scouse title run in again. I say get behind them.

I agree with you with regards staying to the end, I wish more of our fans did.
That one issue aside however there is no reason whatsoever we should aspire to be like Liverpool fans, their atmosphere with the odd exception is a myth, perpetuated by a sycophantic media. More and more people are beginning to point it out and Klopp picked up on it the other week, their away support is shit as well.

The second half of last season our atmosphere was fantastic and hopefully we can get back to that this season when the pressure cranks up again. Forget Liverpool let’s just be City.

 

[levets]

I agree to differ.. a good crowd that backs this wonderful team of ours in vocal support when the chips are down and stays till the end is so much more positive for the manager and the team. I strongly believe when we have struggled in games( and we have recently ) the crowd need to lift this team over the line and I believe the draws would have turned into wins. Pep has said it before time and again as has Klopp.. we need our crowd!!! JRB mentions some really good points.. he is a good poster on here like many others.. he cares about the passion of everything blue. That Liverpool crowd is helping them enormously and are right with their team and it’s giving them momentum. Our home support needs to aspire to our amazing away crowd and be like them at home., This City team deserves a good home crowd.win lose or draw. It’s looking like a manc scouse title run in again. I say get behind them.

Chelsea, Spurs, Palace… all 3 we conceded equalising goals in the last minute of added time. We were anlready ‘over the line’. All were due to stupidity or clumsiness by our players. Nothing to do with early leavers. Error prone displays, missing sitters or tackles or just collective stupidity cost 6 points… nothing else.

I don’t really give a bollocks what JRB says or anyone else for that matter, though they are entitled to their opinion and I respect that; I just don’t share it. I’m a season card holder and have supported City for over 50 years. My opinion is based on what happened on the pitch, we messed up when the game was won in each of those games.

Erling didn’t miss 2 sitters v Spurs (1 being an open goal), Ake didn’t fail,to jump with Kulashevski due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. Against Palace, Dias didn’t fail to track the winger in the 74th min (leading 2-0), then Ake failed to tackle the scorer due to the atmosphere. Then in the last min of added time, Eddy didn’t kick it straight into touch, Phil didn’t decide to try and dribble through their midfield and lose possession, then when we regained it, Bernie didn’t try to be clever on the touch line allowing the forward to get into the box and finally Foden stupidly swing a leg (the ball was going out for a goal kick), because of the crowd.

None of this was due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. It was down to poor play/individual errors, nothing more. The atmosphere at The Etihad is great in some games and not so great in others, always been the same.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Chelsea, Spurs, Palace… all 3 we conceded equalising goals in the last minute of added time. We were anlready ‘over the line’. All were due to stupidity or clumsiness by our players. Nothing to do with early leavers. Error prone displays, missing sitters or tackles or just collective stupidity cost 6 points… nothing else.

I don’t really give a bollocks what JRB says or anyone else for that matter, though they are entitled to their opinion and I respect that; I just don’t share it. I’m a season card holder and have supported City for over 50 years. My opinion is based on what happened on the pitch, we messed up when the game was won in each of those games.

Erling didn’t miss 2 sitters v Spurs (1 being an open goal), Ake didn’t fail,to jump with Kulashevski due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. Against Palace, Dias didn’t fail to track the winger in the 74th min (leading 2-0), then Ake failed to tackle the scorer due to the atmosphere. Then in the last min of added time, Eddy didn’t kick it straight into touch, Phil didn’t decide to try and dribble through their midfield and lose possession, then when we regained it, Bernie didn’t try to be clever on the touch line allowing the forward to get into the box and finally Foden stupidly swing a leg (the ball was going out for a goal kick), because of the crowd.

None of this was due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. It was down to poor play/individual errors, nothing more. The atmosphere at The Etihad is great in some games and not so great in others, always been the same.

Bang on the money mate. I really don’t share this hatred of early leavers or why people rope it in with discussions about atmosphere.

Atmosphere is when the whole stadium roars from the top down when the team need it. That is what Pep and other managers want, not everyone staying clapping when we have beaten Huddersfield 5-0, nor 200 lads singing “Champions again” for 5 minutes.

We didn’t lose a single game at home in 2023 and have had the best home record in England for many years. We can’t be that bad. People need to stop comparing one of our low key, easy, boring early season games with some huge night game they watched on telly.

 

[East Level 2]

At least the tourists stay until the end.....

As we saw against Real Madrid last season.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Why do we keep having people on the pitch who aren’t even City fans? Mo fucking farrah the other week, fucking arsenal fan

Yeah he can jog on

 

[PPT]

Chelsea, Spurs, Palace… all 3 we conceded equalising goals in the last minute of added time. We were anlready ‘over the line’. All were due to stupidity or clumsiness by our players. Nothing to do with early leavers. Error prone displays, missing sitters or tackles or just collective stupidity cost 6 points… nothing else.

I don’t really give a bollocks what JRB says or anyone else for that matter, though they are entitled to their opinion and I respect that; I just don’t share it. I’m a season card holder and have supported City for over 50 years. My opinion is based on what happened on the pitch, we messed up when the game was won in each of those games.

Erling didn’t miss 2 sitters v Spurs (1 being an open goal), Ake didn’t fail,to jump with Kulashevski due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. Against Palace, Dias didn’t fail to track the winger in the 74th min (leading 2-0), then Ake failed to tackle the scorer due to the atmosphere. Then in the last min of added time, Eddy didn’t kick it straight into touch, Phil didn’t decide to try and dribble through their midfield and lose possession, then when we regained it, Bernie didn’t try to be clever on the touch line allowing the forward to get into the box and finally Foden stupidly swing a leg (the ball was going out for a goal kick), because of the crowd.

None of this was due to the perceived lack of atmosphere. It was down to poor play/individual errors, nothing more. The atmosphere at The Etihad is great in some games and not so great in others, always been the same.

Nailed it. Thank you for articulating what I and others have been thinking about some of the total and utter bollocks on this thread. Appreciated.

 

[PPT]

Why do we keep having people on the pitch who aren’t even City fans? Mo fucking farrah the other week, fucking arsenal fan

It’s all about the ‘match day experience’ or should I say match day non experience. You do have to wonder at times just who comes up with this shit and who signs it off. Certainly not City fans. That is for sure.