Attacks in Paris

[cleavers]

Don't forget the witnesses who escaped too. They may be shown photos of suspects.
The fact that they have put this out there suggests they are convinced of his identity

Even if one of these murderers did come through Greece as a 'refugee' 6 weeks ago, its pretty irrelevant really, as this operation, 3 different team, with 3 very different targets, all co-ordinated to happen at pretty much the same time in one City, will have been months in the planning.

A few borders not being 'open' wouldn't have prevented it, the only thing that could have prevented it, is better intelligence. Its no coincidence that we have been free from a serious major attack since July 2005, because we woke up to the threat, and have taken it very seriously ever since. There's many here who think our security is over the top, but its that good, that we are far from an easy target, and people like this go for easy targets, as its easier to plan, and execute.

Not saying it couldn't happen here, it still could, but France is only 10 months since their last major attack, and presumably they tightened up considerably after that, yet they still saw France as an easy target, and planned an executed a near perfect operation, 3 separate team came together to do it. An attack here is much more likely to be a lone wolf lucky attack imho.

I was in Calais on Thursday, and was quite shocked by 2 things, firstly the size of the camp near the port where people, I won't call them refugees, or immigrants, are trying to get into the UK, its far bigger than I expected, it really is a tented City. The second thing that shocked me was the security that is now in place to prevent these people getting here, all paid for by the UK I imagine, its very impressive, from getting off the ferry, the fencing is tens of miles long, double, triple layered fencing, all high, all topped with razor wire, and yet we still can't stop them making it.

I don't think that terrorists like this need to hide with refugees to get here, they are well funded, and there are simpler methods to get here, than walking hundreds of miles, through many different countries, always at the risk of being detained.

 

[BlueHalli]

So, two look to have come over as refugees. Farage called this month's ago and the lefties just laughed and called him a bigot in their usual 'know everything' attitude. I just hope it's the only two that have come through with refugees. I very much doubt it though.

 

[Ducado]

Just found this on the excellent Juan Cole site worth a read

http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/ten-ways-islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

 

[big blue balls]

Still hasn't explained how you are so sure of a fact that no other news channel , oh apart from your very tenuous Greek mates, seems to be reporting
Have you reported it to the Surete?

It's been on Sky, itv, cnn and i thought i heard it mentioned on bbc earlier although i might have misheard it as i was mashing spuds in the kitchen

 

[George Hannah]

The idea that people fleeing war torn countries are a `swarm`, IMO, dehumanises them. This s your true intention, because that's the type of guy you are.

This is such an important point. The perceived contempt for Islam from the secular west is a source of great offence and contributes to the rise of extreme groups.

 

[Ducado]

Even if one of these murderers did come through Greece as a 'refugee' 6 weeks ago, its pretty irrelevant really, as this operation, 3 different team, with 3 very different targets, all co-ordinated to happen at pretty much the same time in one City, will have been months in the planning.

A few borders not being 'open' wouldn't have prevented it, the only thing that could have prevented it, is better intelligence. Its no coincidence that we have been free from a serious major attack since July 2005, because we woke up to the threat, and have taken it very seriously ever since. There's many here who think our security is over the top, but its that good, that we are far from an easy target, and people like this go for easy targets, as its easier to plan, and execute.

Not saying it couldn't happen here, it still could, but France is only 10 months since their last major attack, and presumably they tightened up considerably after that, yet they still saw France as an easy target, and planned an executed a near perfect operation, 3 separate team came together to do it. An attack here is much more likely to be a lone wolf lucky attack imho.

I was in Calais on Thursday, and was quite shocked by 2 things, firstly the size of the camp near the port where people, I won't call them refugees, or immigrants, are trying to get into the UK, its far bigger than I expected, it really is a tented City. The second thing that shocked me was the security that is now in place to prevent these people getting here, all paid for by the UK I imagine, its very impressive, from getting of the ferry, the fencing is tens of miles long, double, triple layered fencing, all high, all topped with razor wire, and yet we still can't stop them making it.

I don't think that terrorists like this need to hide with refugees to get here, they are well funded, and there are simpler methods to get here, than walking hundreds of miles, through many different countries, always at the risk of being detained.

What they need are "clean boots" i.e persons not known to the authorities people who can slip under the radar so to speak

 

[squirtyflower]

It's been on Sky, itv, cnn and i thought i heard it mentioned on bbc earlier although i might have misheard it as i was mashing spuds in the kitchen

They you go again, misrepresenting the truth
They have said a Syrian passport has been found, none are reporting that they arrived through Greece on 5th October

 

[bluethrunthru]

So, two look to have come over as refugees. Farage called this month's ago and the lefties just laughed and called him a bigot in their usual 'know everything' attitude. I just hope it's the only two that have come through with refugees. I very much doubt it though.

Where has it said that?

The French justice minister or whatever he was in his press conference said 1 x Frenchman positively identified and 3 x Belgians as likely. Who is saying 2 immigrants - other than Farage?

 

[EalingBlue2]

It's a fact that many people just can't seem to get in to their heads, if it's not Religion it's some form of political belief

Exactly, religion is the tool for ISIS, nationalism Was for fascism , or Marxism was for Stalin . People are about wealth & power and they use nationalism, religion, Marxism are tools to gain support and consolidate power. They are political tools

 

[hilts]

It is important to the right and anti immigration people who desperately want the terrorists to be Syrian refugees. For the rest the only important thing is finding them, their supporters, their network and the next attackers and stopping it happen again.

It is a fact though that if you allow Muslims to enter the country a percentage of them will cause trouble, if the Middle East and North Africa is a hot bed of nutters allowing them access to Europe will bring problems, the liberals won't admit this because people deaths are less important than there ideology