Attacks in Paris

Even if one of these murderers did come through Greece as a 'refugee' 6 weeks ago, its pretty irrelevant really, as this operation, 3 different team, with 3 very different targets, all co-ordinated to happen at pretty much the same time in one City, will have been months in the planning.

A few borders not being 'open' wouldn't have prevented it, the only thing that could have prevented it, is better intelligence. Its no coincidence that we have been free from a serious major attack since July 2005, because we woke up to the threat, and have taken it very seriously ever since. There's many here who think our security is over the top, but its that good, that we are far from an easy target, and people like this go for easy targets, as its easier to plan, and execute.

Not saying it couldn't happen here, it still could, but France is only 10 months since their last major attack, and presumably they tightened up considerably after that, yet they still saw France as an easy target, and planned an executed a near perfect operation, 3 separate team came together to do it. An attack here is much more likely to be a lone wolf lucky attack imho.

I was in Calais on Thursday, and was quite shocked by 2 things, firstly the size of the camp near the port where people, I won't call them refugees, or immigrants, are trying to get into the UK, its far bigger than I expected, it really is a tented City. The second thing that shocked me was the security that is now in place to prevent these people getting here, all paid for by the UK I imagine, its very impressive, from getting of the ferry, the fencing is tens of miles long, double, triple layered fencing, all high, all topped with razor wire, and yet we still can't stop them making it.

I don't think that terrorists like this need to hide with refugees to get here, they are well funded, and there are simpler methods to get here, than walking hundreds of miles, through many different countries, always at the risk of being detained.
Everything you say is true, of course though it's much easier for the UK , being an island France has thousands of miles of borders and it seems some of these terrorists came over from Belgium. I think one of the consequences of these attacks and other problems could be the end of the Schengen block.
 
What they need are "clean boots" i.e persons not known to the authorities people who can slip under the radar so to speak

It seems they don't even need that. The French lad identified was a small time crook - they have identified him off the finger prints they have on record I think. If he has been to Syria training he will presumably gone on his own passport - its about your intelligence gathering - the use you make of it and a big slice of luck in my view.
 
Just been scrolling through bluemoon looking for a thread as there were 40 innocent people killed by IS in Beruit during the week but I couldn't find one.

If anyone finds it let me know.
 
Exactly, religion is the tool for ISIS, nationalism Was for fascism , or Marxism was for Stalin . People are about wealth & power and they use nationalism, religion, Marxism are tools to gain support and consolidate power. They are political tools

Jesus.

How was fascism defeated?

Europeans turned their backs on nationalism.

Not quite getting this are you?
 
Where has it said that?

The French justice minister or whatever he was in his press conference said 1 x Frenchman positively identified and 3 x Belgians as likely. Who is saying 2 immigrants - other than Farage?

Check the latest. Now two have been confirmed as coming through Greece as refugees.
 
It's not a fact, it's an opinion.

And many of us disagree.

Religion is not an irrelevance to this discussion.
No one said it was not, but as my Israeli friend once said, no one gets up in the morning and says what a great life and prospects I have I think I will go and blow myself up, you can not untangle the the issues
 
Just been scrolling through bluemoon looking for a thread as there were 40 innocent people killed by IS in Beruit during the week but I couldn't find one.

If anyone finds it let me know.


Ha - yes well put Blue......... there are probably people on line there now claiming it was done by illegal immigrant bastards from France and England and demanding they close their borders to those Christian scum............. or maybe not.
 

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