Attacks in Paris

big blue balls said:
The Britis

Liberals will not acknowledge anything even if it bit them on their arses, they would still be finding excuses for these bastards if the Colin Bell Stand was blown up around them
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Liberals are intelligent enough to know if you want your ideology to win you have to a) understand the enemy , you have to b) remove the excuses your enemy uses and weaken their position and c) you have to defeat Your ENEMY.

Simpletons believe you can win by defeating people who look like your enemy, that you can defeat an enemy just by force not by defeating their ideology and believe that a solution should be easy and take 5 minutes.

ISIS is like a cancer you can try and ignore cause, ignore cures, ignore research and hit it with a big blast of old fashioned medicine just before death comes or you can try and understand it, try and change the factors that can feed it and try and research it, to find a real long term cure.

You never defeat an enemy you don't understand and you never sweat an enemy without defeating its ideology!

I have not seen anyone give excuses for this barbarism , I have seen the more articulate trying to understand the root causes as only tackling those will win this war.

But if you think there is a simple , were really hard solution to this other than invading occupying and disarming countries with about 3 billion people in them to disarm this or shutting off Britain and never letting anyone else in or out ever again you will be sadly disillusioned very quickly as George W Bush simple gung Ho right wing nonsense doesnt work .
 
Ric said:
Don't be an idiot, mate. No one is making excuses for terrorists.
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That's news to me and a lot of other people, meanwhile Cameron is calling yet another 'Cobra' meeting and Frau Merkel has spoken about helping France in every way they can, it's like the blind leading the blind, if Cameron, Merkel and Hollande want to help the best thing they could do is resign on the spot, they have failed to protect European borders and left their populations open to murdering scum
 
Ric said:
Don't be an idiot, mate. No one is making excuses for terrorists.
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The problem though is the perception that some liberals will never accept that the state needs to snoop on the general population , that cctv is essential etc etc . They claim that the threat from extremists is vastly exaggerated . Unfortunately last night proved them wrong . But to blame the whole of the Muslim faith and its followers is ridiculous . But that's what the extremists want , they want a civil war across the whole of Europe .
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Liberals are intelligent enough to know if you want your ideology to win you have to a) understand the enemy , you have to b) remove the excuses your enemy uses and weaken their position and c) you have to defeat Your ENEMY.

Simpletons believe you can win by defeating people who look like your enemy, that you can defeat an enemy just by force not by defeating their ideology and believe that a solution should be easy and take 5 minutes.

ISIS is like a cancer you can try and ignore cause, ignore cures, ignore research and hit it with a big blast of old fashioned medicine just before death comes or you can try and understand it, try and change the factors that can feed it and try and research it, to find a real long term cure.

You never defeat an enemy you don't understand and you never sweat an enemy without defeating its ideology!

I have not seen anyone give excuses for this barbarism , I have seen the more articulate trying to understand the root causes as only tackling those will win this war.

But if you think there is a simple , were really hard solution to this other than invading occupying and disarming countries with about 3 billion people in them to disarm this or shutting off Britain and never letting anyone else in or out ever again you will be sadly disillusioned very quickly as George W Bush simple gung Ho right wing nonsense doesnt work .
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Fine words unfortunately it is just piss and wind, you will be sat down writing poetry next
 
big blue balls said:
Fine words unfortunately it is just piss and wind, you will be sat down writing poetry next
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You go look for your simple solutions to complex problems and live in a simple world where goodies fight baddies at the OK corral and go home victorious, good luck you will need it in nearly every facet of life.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Of course religion has a part of it, just like religion had a part in much of the troubles, like religion had a major part of the KKK hanging blacks, like religion had a part in most of George W Bush and Rumsfelds politics, or justifies abortion clinic killers or Brevik or whoever No one denies that.

What I would argue is you don't attack a religion of hundreds of millions be it Catholicism, Islam or Baptist because a tiny minority of members twist the ideology and use it to kill. You have to show up the murderers for what they are murderers.
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Moronic comparisons once more.

I'm not going to delve into all your comparisons but I'll go to the most common one which serves as a whataboutism when this discussion comes up - Northern Ireland.

Irish republicans backing the IRA in fighting a guerrilla war against British soldiers and bombing British cities weren't doing so because they were motivated by the life of warlord Jesus, or by something the Pope said. They did so because their goal was fundamentally to see a united Ireland free from British rule, and their view was that those acts of terrorism would force Britain to leave Ireland or to the negotiating table.

The sectarianism was a consequence of the old British settlers in Northern Ireland being native British, and thus Protestant. The native Irish Celts are Catholic, and thus your religious sect serves as an identifier of which group you belong to - the native Irish who want to see a united Ireland (Catholic), or the British settlers who want a Northern Ireland to remain part of Britain (Protestant).

It's that straightforward.

Of course said sectarianism added another poisonous layer to the conflict, but it wasn't a central tennant of why there was conflict and war. To suggest it was is dishonesty of the most contemptible kind.

It's a shit companion used by people who don't wish to reflect on the culpability of Islam in the ideology of people who are massacring civilians on European streets while praising their God - for example last night.

Of people who believe in martyrdom.

Of people that idolise a thousand year old warlord, believe him to be the messenger of their particular God, and deem him to be the perfect embodiment of humanity. And wish to emulate his very existence on earth in the present day - with no contextualising whatsoever.

Watch this video of AlNusra (IS lite) verbatim lift quotes from the Koran to teach children how to wage war against the infidel non believers, and tell me that Islam isn't a fundamental part of these attacks:



Of course not all Muslims interpret their faith this way, in fact most don't, but a lot do - and that's a fucking problem.

One that people like you could do with acknowledging.
 
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