Attacks in Paris

Prestwich_Blue said:
Here's where your opinion ain't worth jack-shit. Actually figures from the UNHCR (http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php) show that there are slightly more women (50.2%) than men. The largest single demographic is Females aged 18-59. Over 50% of the refugees in total are children under 17.

Also, the French police are reporting that the passports that the terrorists just happened to have on them were fakes, probably made in Turkey. There could be any number of explanations for that but maybe one was that they wanted to try to create political tension by promoting a backlash against refugees and encouraging the racist right. There's no military purpose in these terror attacks; the aim of these extremists is to get a reaction so they can present this as a 'war on Islam'.

Militarily they're steadily being squeezed. The recapture of Sinjar effectively isolates their Iraqi stronghold in Mosul between the Peshmerga and Iraqi army. Eventually Mosul will be retaken and their main source of income from the oilfields gone. What ISIS would love, for PR purposes, is a full-scale conflict to erupt with Western armies fully engaged as that acts as a recruiting tool for yet more of the deluded and disaffected youth of the Arab and wider Muslim world. The thought that terrorists are flooding in as refugees is just one way of trying to get that reaction.
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They guy they have named was identified from a fingertip at the scene I have read.... not sure how that can be faked unless he donated it to the terrorists to divert attention
 
grim up north said:
This is not my view but just read a conspiracy theory on Facebook which claims there is no social media footage of the terrorists what they were trying to say nobody got anything on their mobiles. Do the authorities shut that down and do they have the ability to do that.

I'm sure if I was being shot at I wouldn't upload my camera app and start filming
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Facebook will be full of shit now
 
bobmcfc said:
The amount of countries they are attacking Could lead to a large scale global assault on Isis. I think everyone's getting Pretty fucking sick of them


Is WW3 on the cards ...
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I doubt it as I think most of the world would be united in fighting them, but I just wiki'd the list of terrorist attacks this year and I know it's not the most accurate thing but the amount of places and attacts they have done along with Boko harem and al-shabaaab that we don't hear about is quite worrying

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
 
Bluemanc100 said:
They guy they have named was identified from a fingertip at the scene I have read.... not sure how that can be faked unless he donated it to the terrorists to divert attention
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The guy they identified was French and already well known to them as far as I can see. Which is how they knew who he was so quickly. So if he was the person carrying a fake Syrian passport that he would have had no need for, then you really do have to see it as an act of disinformation.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
They guy they have named was identified from a fingertip at the scene I have read.... not sure how that can be faked unless he donated it to the terrorists to divert attention
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but that was the French guy not the body parts the passport was found near, it is best not to speculate till the investigation is over it only causes missinformation and creates false fear
 
bobmcfc said:
The amount of countries they are attacking Could lead to a large scale global assault on Isis. I think everyone's getting Pretty fucking sick of them


Is WW3 on the cards ...
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These wankers don't wear uniforms, not in public anyway.. they haven't got the balls to do that. A war therefore in the sense of face to face combat with a known enemy is unlikely I would have thought....

It would be nice to wipe some of the fuckers off the planet but I agree, hitting their coffers is the only legitimate option we have with the exception of some focussed assassinations
 
Saddam Hussein was the instigator to these days of extremest wars / terror after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.
Our presence in the middle east has been consistent ever since.
 
ww3 is kinda here it is just not conventional warfare. I am talking about electronic warfare though, some of the stuff happening is getting serious enough to have troops shuffled around in certain areas. Of course one day it will really kick off but a lot of the stuff going on with computers is dodgy, just look at stuxnet.

 
Bluemanc100 said:
These wankers don't wear uniforms, not in public anyway.. they haven't got the balls to do that. A war therefore in the sense of face to face combat with a known enemy is unlikely I would have thought....

It would be nice to wipe some of the fuckers off the planet but I agree, hitting their coffers is the only legitimate option we have with the exception of some focussed assassinations
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I think that would hurt them the most. Imagine all their rich backers waking up to find their bank accounts completely empty, unable to trace where their cash had gone. Imagine if we could do that
 
whp.blue said:
There is however a slight flaw with this idea.

Imagine 76000 trying to get in the swamp and everyone being searched at some point there would be 10's of thousands of fans all bunched up queuing.
As the bomber gets to his turn to frisked he then detonates his device he could kill hundreds and hundreds as everyone is in such close proximity then imagine this scenario at several turnstiles and as soon as the terrorists hear the first device go off they then in turn detonate their devices the carnage would be immense then there is also the chance of panic and stampeding fans getting killed in the crushes that could ensue.

They would get as much publicity as if they had set off devices inside the ground, There is very little searches can do to stop a terror attack at the football.
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I hear what you are saying but just have a read of this. It may not stop it completely but trying to do something about it rather than nothing is a good thing imo.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/14/nfl-statement-on-stadium-security/
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But there are troops on the ground. The problem (from an ISIS point of view) is that they're Iraqi troops and that doesn't suit their agenda as they can't present that as the West vs Islam. They're doing a slow but steady job. And you've already correctly identified that throwing Western armies into these conflicts has been a large part of the problem.

Syria is another matter but Putin has always been right here (if not always for the right reason). Support the established government, however unpalatable it might be to liberal, Western eyes, because history has shown that an effective strong-man, even if brutally repressive, generally keeps the lid on extremism and factionalism. But in Syria, yet again we've armed the groups who present the greatest threat to us.
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I think the problem is if you cast your mind back a few years the Idea of propping up the established government during the Arab Spring would have been completely against the zeitgeist of the time. This, despite a number of people voicing concern about who exactly we were siding with. It's easy in hindsight to realise that far from liberation from tyranny as it was thought to be at the time, the Arab Spring was the rise of the new radical Islam. It was a key moment in the rise of the new Caliphate and in fact Syria today is just another chapter in that movement. The enemy isn't ISIL it is radical Islam throughout north Africa and the middle east. Action against ISIL alone will only shift the problem but will never end it.
People need to wake up to just how much sympathy there is for radical Islam and only then when the scale of the problem is admitted can a realistic strategy be formed.
 
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So the fingerprint connects the passport to the bomber.
Anyone going to say that they chopped off a finger to plant with the passport or are we happy to apply Occam's razor now?
 
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Gelsons Dad said:
I think the problem is if you cast your mind back a few years the Idea of propping up the established government during the Arab Spring would have been completely against the zeitgeist of the time. This, despite a number of people voicing concern about who exactly we were siding with. It's easy in hindsight to realise that far from liberation from tyranny as it was thought to be at the time, the Arab Spring was the rise of the new radical Islam. It was a key moment in the rise of the new Caliphate and in fact Syria today is just another chapter in that movement. The enemy isn't ISIL it is radical Islam throughout north Africa and the middle east. Action against ISIL alone will only shift the problem but will never end it.
People need to wake up to just how much sympathy there is for radical Islam and only then when the scale of the problem is admitted can a realistic strategy be formed.
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That is a good point. We need to understand the numbers involved who support radical Islam. The spectator article suggested 15 percent. I have seen something on This forum saying 0.0001 percent.
 
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