Attacks in Paris

Eh what raid ? just now or summat ?
No, this morning. They just said on bbc news that they're just hearing it's been confirmed that they eliminated people with actual plans to attack Paris again. Just passing on what they said.
 
Still unable to identify the ones that died, because the floor collapsed or something. But none of the 8 arrested are the man most wanted, the suspected ringleader.
 
The Paris prosecutor has said the fate of the suspected organiser of Friday's attacks remains unknown after a police raid on a flat ended in bloodshed.

Francois Molins told reporters Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not among eight people arrested during the raid in the Paris suburb of Saint Denis.

However, human remains found in the rubble of the flat had still to be identified, he said.

A woman blew herself up and another suspect was shot during the raid
 
Key Points
  1. At least two people have been killed and seven arrested after a major police operation in the northern Paris suburb of Saint-Denis
  2. The focus of the operation was said to be the alleged mastermind of Friday's attacks that killed 129 people
  3. One of those killed was a woman who detonated a suicide belt
  4. Several police officers were injured in the raid that began at 03:30 GMT
  5. At least 115,000 police and army personnel are mobilised to provide security across France
  6. Police dog killed
 
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Key Points
  1. At least two people have been killed and seven arrested after a major police operation in the northern Paris suburb of Saint-Denis
  2. The focus of the operation was said to be the alleged mastermind of Friday's attacks that killed 129 people
  3. One of those killed was a woman who detonated a suicide belt
  4. Several police officers were injured in the raid that began at 03:30 GMT
  5. At least 115,000 police and army personnel are mobilised to provide security across France

Don't forget the police dog that was killed in action
 
5000 bullets were fired as they had a reinforced door. Grenades and snipers used as well. Imagine living in that apartment with all that going on, the ceiling caved in as well. Sweden are now on the lookout for someone as well as they have found evidence of an imminent attack.

Worrying that so many people are wrapped up in this really. They really need to find the man on the run, he knows the game is up and will want to go out in a blaze of glory.
 
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Sadly it seems correct about the UK. I said earlier that we are a post Christian society and it's true of several Western European countries. There is a growing disconnect between the generations too. Personally I look to the future with great apprehension, our culture seems to have been uprooted and is dying.
I see a forward thinking irreligious society as a huge positive. The Christian "culture" (if that's what you're meaning) was thrust upon our ancestors and people were forced to follow it either through the guilt or brutality. A religion worshipping some random Middle Eastern Jewish man, just was has it ever had to do with us here in North Western Europe?

Our culture is not dying because our long established Germanic and Celtic traditions are still alive and well. They've never disappeared, although they were bastardised by that Christianity. We will continue to celebrate the traditions around the Solstices and Equinoxes like we have for thousands of years, if not in its original way (especially not with the human sacrifices!) but in the meaning of spending time with and appreciating family, friends, loved ones...they might well be called Christmas, Easter, Penecost, All Saints Day or whatever else made up names they have, but they're still there.

And the Govt and property developers understand the disconnect between the generations and are planning new neighbourhoods in cities where young and old, families and singles, will all love together as neighbours.

If anything the irreligious future of the British Isles is looking like a better society than ever before.
 
Another thing I'd point out to the people who are routinely dismissing a link in all this violence to the actual doctrine in the Koran; that IS aren't 'real' or 'true' Muslims etc.

You know who else has been saying that this week? Another Jihadi group in Northern Syria, as they executed several members of IS on a little dirt track, blowing their heads off with shotguns.

It's on Liveleak with English subs if anyone want to look for it. Although it is obviously highly graphic, as a warning. What's highly interesting about it though is that its narration is translated into English, and it gives you a very real insight into their worldview, the role theology plays in their beliefs.

One thing you'll notice is that their chief executioner repeatedly cites the Koran, directly quoting it, and condemns IS as not being real Muslims. Accuses them of being in bed with Israel and Iran.

To say Islam has no role in this violence is about the most intellectually dishonest thing someone can tell you.

It's obviously shit that ordinary, well adjusted Muslims get tarred by these extremists by association, but you can't dismiss reality because it's an uncomfortable truth.

I don't know what the solution is, but I know that seemingly well intentioned dishonesty isn't really helping solve anything.
Ducado posted a good article yesterday, written by a Islamic scholar who said;
"However, the truth of the matter is that ISIS leaders and supporters can and do draw on a wealth of scriptural and historical sources to justify their actions.

Traditional interpretations of Sharia, or Islamic law, approved aggressive jihad to propagate Islam. They permitted the killing of captive enemy men. They allowed jihadis to enslave enemy women and children, as ISIS did with the Yazidi women in Syria."

and;
"There is no equivalent of the Vatican and papal infallibility. How Sharia is interpreted by the many different communities of Muslims (from Sunni and Shia to Sufi and Salafi) is, at base, the product of an intergenerational consensus of the scholars and leaders of each community.

Islamic belief and practice is fundamentally individual and voluntary in its nature. A Muslim cannot be accountable for the views and actions of others.

One positive consequence of this absence of any one religious authority is the fact that it is possible to contest and reinterpret Sharia principles."

He goes on to say that the solution is to have popular, powerful, scholars to write new alternatives to Sharia law for people to follow in Islamic states and Caliphates if that's what they want to set up but not in the way they currently want.

Someone did try that in the 80s but was executed for doing so.

When we finally have people writing these alternative Islamic laws, the old fashioned Puritan, Wahabi, extremist Sharia laws could go down the route of vein illegal. Who is going to stand up and do it though?
 
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I see a forward thinking irreligious society as a huge positive. The Christian "culture" (if that's what you're meaning) was thrust upon our ancestors and people were forced to follow it either through the guilt or brutality. A religion worshipping some random Middle Eastern Jewish man, just was has it ever had to do with us here in North Western Europe?

Our culture is not dying because our long established Germanic and Celtic traditions are still alive and well. They've never disappeared, although they were bastardised by that Christianity. We will continue to celebrate the traditions around the Solstices and Equinoxes like we have for thousands of years, if not in its original way (especially not with the human sacrifices!) but in the meaning of spending time with and appreciating family, friends, loved ones...they might well be called Christmas, Easter, Penecost, All Saints Day or whatever else made up names they have, but they're still there.

And the Govt and property developers understand the disconnect between the generations and are planning new neighbourhoods in cities where young and old, families and singles, will all love together as neighbours.

If anything the irreligious future of the British Isles is looking like a better society than ever before.
Triffic post, with the understanding of history you have just displayed the last two millennia obviously wasn't in vain. Those property developers will sort us out for sure..
 

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