AVB sacked/Abramovich. (Merged)

[spurspinter1]

Re: AVB for the chop ?

It's fashionable to think Luiz is rubbish when he has been far from it. Another one in this catagory (although probably not the best place to sound it out) is Johnny Evans, been much improved this season, thought that Phil Jones would have been the end of his career at United....

Get.out.of.town.

Jonny fucking Evans?! You are taking ze piss[/quote]

I'm as surprised as you are buddy. He's had many solid games, quiet games without the usual catastrophic lapses.<br /><br />-- Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:32 pm --<br /><br />

It's fashionable to think Luiz is rubbish when he has been far from it. Another one in this catagory (although probably not the best place to sound it out) is Johnny Evans, been much improved this season, thought that Phil Jones would have been the end of his career at United....

I was reading on a Chelsea blog a few weeks ago that Bosingwa mistakes have cost us more goals than the rest of our defence combined and Luiz has the highest interception, successful tackle and clearance rate of all our other defenders - also second to Ivanovich for successful aerial duels. Why he gets all the stick and Bosingwa escapes scott free is totally beyond me. But if managers are silly enough to underestimate him and focus their efforts at him when we're basically playing without a right back, thats fine by me.

Bosingwa is one of those isn't he. I think the fact that he can put in a terrific cross makes most forget that defensively he's a disaster

 

[Super David Silva 21]

Re: AVB for the chop ?

Terry set to be ruled out for 2 Months.

 

[TonyM]

Re: AVB for the chop ?

I'd love to buy Luiz in the summer. He'd be great as a LB (a Richards type bulldozer) or in the Yaya role imo.

As a CB though... there's much better about.

 

[edgecroft]

Re: AVB for the chop ?

Seriously, where are you getting the impression that Luiz is terrible? This season he has been solid and since the new year he's been by far our best defender. The media ridicule train for a hand full of mistakes in his first half season here has really gone off the rails. There are enough terrible players in this Chelsea squad to slate and you pick out one of the stand out performers, when Bosingwa is wide open.

I''m getting that impression from watching him play, he seems to be out of position off in laalaa land a good deal of the time.

I guess we'll see today how he does against Napoli's front 3. I expect that it won't be pretty. If he does great, then I'll start to change my mind about him.

 

[Castiel]

Re: AVB for the chop ?

I''m getting that impression from watching him play, he seems to be out of position off in laalaa land a good deal of the time.

I guess we'll see today how he does against Napoli's front 3. I expect that it won't be pretty. If he does great, then I'll start to change my mind about him.

Well you obviously don't watch him play enough. Luiz is a ball-playing centerback like Hummels or Pique. Not a traditional English centerback. In our 433, when we're in possession, a centerback is the extra man, which gives him licence to come forward leaving the anchor of the midfield 3 (Romeu or Mikel) to plug the gap and recirculate the play. Luiz does this job exceptionally, and the stats (and Chelsea fans observations) suggest as much. He's even better at this than Carvalho was, but Carvalho was a far more accomplished deep defender. I just did a quick check on our forum MoTM threads and Luiz is second only to Mata on most awards so far.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Re: What comes first?

I think its 100% obvious that Abramovich wont be at all happy re Chelsea's season and alarming fall from prem superpower to fighting it out for 4th with the likes of Newcastle. That's unacceptable for a club recentky in a CL final and winning prems.

The papers are reporting the facts and sprinkling in a bit of propaganda before stirring the cup with their big trouble causing spoon.

 

[Le Havre Oswald]

Re: What comes first?

the chicken

 

[malg]

Re: What comes first?

Press....all day long. However, I can't help but think that some of the senior Chelsea players are briefing behind his back. Any player found doing that should just be sacked. I think Chelsea should stick with the manager - their squad needs a massive clear out.

 

[Deepest Blue]

Re: What comes first?

Press would love ;ose and Rom to remarry and have a great time reporting the rocky road to wherever it leads but the fact remains that somebody has to take on the painful job of breaking up the old guard.

Maybe Jose is the man to do it as he is as hard as nails and nobody gets one over on him if he has the backing of the club.

Personally, I would back AVB all the way and let him do what's necessary as with a clean slate I believe he will make Chelsea a power once again. He will gain experience of the PL and the press will lay off him with expectations lowered for a season or two.

The FFP factor cannot be overlooked but most of the top earners are the same ones as the troublemakers who will be moved on.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Re: What comes first?

Have been observing the whole Villas-Boas situation and everything that's happening over there and it got me thinking. What do you think comes first? The media get on a manager's back and create the pressure OR the owner/chairman genuinely isn't happy with the manager and the media find out and react off that?

Personally I think the media create an awful lot of it and a lot of the stuff is blown way out of proportion. In my opinion nobody knows what Abramovich is thinking and whether he is happy or not. The media seem to presume and guess as to how he is feeling with Villas-Boas.

I think that Abramovich doesn't know whether he's happy or not. Much is scripted by the media - they want a story and if there's a sniff of anything they will embellish it to the nth degree. BBC North West stated that Tevez won't figure tomorrow! How on earth does that snippet even get to the front of the sports queue - he ain't played for four months, he'll be knackered if he gets into a trot - but it still gets a few 'column inches'!