Back On The Chain Gang

Saddleworth2 said:
Me too mate. No chance until we take a good hard look at ourselves and demand better bloody politics and politicians That will implement policies that support a descent and fair society.
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Oh, they definitely support a descent all right. The further the descent, the more they will benefit. A fair society? As long as they and their mates are fairly treated (by themselves, of course), the fairer it will be.
(Yes, I know you meant decent, but descent fitted the narrative far better)
 
Rascal said:
Didn't the Tories tell us that crime levels were at an all time low and that is why they could cut police and prison warder numbers.

So what is, if crime has increased then it is their fault for cutting police numbers and if Jails are too easy it is their fault for cutting prison warders.

They cant have it both ways.
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It was them that cut the force by 20,000 and now Johnson confirms that we need to recruit, you guessed it, 20,000.

Obviously he knew about the numbers and just regurgitated shite but it does say that he is admitting that they were wrong.
 
Two Gun Bob said:
Why do governments set the minimum wage level so low to appease industry at the detriment of the tax payer. Where does it benefit a government who then have to pay out welfare to top up these insulting salaries into some as-semblance of a living wage. Set the bar higher then we would not have to offer our work force financial support. If a company cannot afford to pay an honest wage for an honest days work then quite simply that company should not be trading in the first place. A contentious issue for sure.
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Probably because people get dividends to which government members will hold quite a few shares. Then there’s the lobbies who will offer government members an ‘appointment on the board’ as some form of consultant working 1 day a year where they get a huge chunk of money, a small percentage of that which the public have funded.

Basically, legalised subsidise that can be realised at a later date.
 
Marklr said:
Fuck all to do with the tories or whatever they've said recently...that's been my opinion for a long time. And you can't compare Norway to the UK.
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Timpsons (owners of a large group of companies such as Johnsons Dry cleaners , the watch co etc) recruit ex prisoners.... treat them well (not minimum wage) make sure that the blokes wear shirts and ties and the women wear uniforms (not high viz jackets) ... and they seem to do ok.

 
NPBlue said:
The tories that shrank the budget for youth intervention that helped keep vulnerable kids away from a life of crime are now reacting to the shortcomings of that policy with Victorian methods of correction.
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Yep, underfunding followed by gimmicks to try and deal with that underfunding. It was the same with their bright ideas around policing last week. And they also do permanent damage, because experienced people leave the sector so even if you bring the funding back to an appropriate level, a lot of your best people have already moved on, and a lot of the people who might have been saved by cheap early intervention are now hardened criminals who are costing far more in the long run. Short-term thinking, as always.
 
Marklr said:
It might be social injustices that have lead to our current crime culture...but it's not exclusive. Kids brought up in some areas see crime culture as NORMAL. It's a way of life for some people that AREN'T poverty stricken. That's something that has been growing for many years and will be a tough issue to change.
I WISH we had the Scandinavian life!
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Norway's state spends 47.5% of GDP , the UK spends around 36% of GDP

When North Sea oil boomed, Norway set up The Oil Fund. The aim of the oil fund is to ensure responsible and long-term management of revenue from Norway’s oil and gas resources, so that this wealth benefits both current and future generations.

The UK flogged our oil off to the private sector.

Norway's oil benefits Norwegian society , our oil made some wealthy people even more wealthy.


Norwegian wage inequality is low, which, combined with high labour-force participation (most importantly among women) and redistribution through the tax and benefit system, results in an egalitarian distribution of net household income. Norway's tax system raises a lot of revenue with a heavy emphasis on income taxation.

in the UK inequality is very high in comparison to other similarly wealthy countries, according to the Equality Trust, and has been so for some time. Poverty was already on the rise before the Covid-19 crisis hit the UK, which as well as affecting people’s immediate quality of life can limit the opportunities a child has access to in future. The average income for the UKs richest 20 per cent of people had increased by nearly five per cent between 2017 and 2018.The UK cuts income taxes for the wealthiest.
 
Rascal said:
Norway's state spends 47.5% of GDP , the UK spends around 36% of GDP

When North Sea oil boomed, Norway set up The Oil Fund. The aim of the oil fund is to ensure responsible and long-term management of revenue from Norway’s oil and gas resources, so that this wealth benefits both current and future generations.

The UK flogged our oil off to the private sector.

Norway's oil benefits Norwegian society , our oil made some wealthy people even more wealthy.


Norwegian wage inequality is low, which, combined with high labour-force participation (most importantly among women) and redistribution through the tax and benefit system, results in an egalitarian distribution of net household income. Norway's tax system raises a lot of revenue with a heavy emphasis on income taxation.

in the UK inequality is very high in comparison to other similarly wealthy countries, according to the Equality Trust, and has been so for some time. Poverty was already on the rise before the Covid-19 crisis hit the UK, which as well as affecting people’s immediate quality of life can limit the opportunities a child has access to in future. The average income for the UKs richest 20 per cent of people had increased by nearly five per cent between 2017 and 2018.The UK cuts income taxes for the wealthiest.
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The UK's oil bonanza was pissed against a wall. The Norwegians set up their own oil development company which was given preferential treatment when bidding + they demanded a % share of every oil $ produced + they made some very clever oil field acquisitions from neighbouring countries oil reserves. All adds up to a wealth fund for the benefit of Norwegian citizens exceeding $1Tr.
I think its part of SNP policy to do similar if Scotland ever becomes independent but its all a bit late to the party....
Currently NS Oil and Gas revenues (what is left) are split amongst UK regions as part of the Barnett Formulae irrespective of the geographical source of those revenues (but Unionists expect an independent Scotland to pay decomissioning costs. Seems fair).
A bit of a diversion but a good example of what an intelligent government can do when it is not consumed with self greed and power lust.
 
Rascal said:
Norway's state spends 47.5% of GDP , the UK spends around 36% of GDP

When North Sea oil boomed, Norway set up The Oil Fund. The aim of the oil fund is to ensure responsible and long-term management of revenue from Norway’s oil and gas resources, so that this wealth benefits both current and future generations.

The UK flogged our oil off to the private sector.

Norway's oil benefits Norwegian society , our oil made some wealthy people even more wealthy.


Norwegian wage inequality is low, which, combined with high labour-force participation (most importantly among women) and redistribution through the tax and benefit system, results in an egalitarian distribution of net household income. Norway's tax system raises a lot of revenue with a heavy emphasis on income taxation.

in the UK inequality is very high in comparison to other similarly wealthy countries, according to the Equality Trust, and has been so for some time. Poverty was already on the rise before the Covid-19 crisis hit the UK, which as well as affecting people’s immediate quality of life can limit the opportunities a child has access to in future. The average income for the UKs richest 20 per cent of people had increased by nearly five per cent between 2017 and 2018.The UK cuts income taxes for the wealthiest.
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Norway also dabbling with Universal Basic Income for all citizens
 
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