Bad Pills at Warehouse Project

Mike Barton, Durham Constabulary Chief Constable writing in The Observer this morning:

As a police officer for nearly 34 years, I have witnessed the worsening problems of drug addiction – whether it's to controlled substances or legal drugs, such as alcohol. The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 has prevailed throughout my time of service, but it would appear not to have had the impact that optimistic legislators planned.

Throughout those 34 years, I have recognised that it is an indisputable truth that drugs are bad. Occasionally, a retired colleague advocates a change, but mostly politicians, professionals and the media collude in the fiction that we are winning the war on drugs, or if not, that we still have to fight it in the same way.

Their message has been successful in winning support. Indeed, I recently joined a debating society event at the University of Durham, during which I argued for the decriminalisation of Class A drugs. I felt that our team was funnier, as well as better-informed and more erudite than the opposing team, who were advocating maintaining the status quo. Imagine my surprise, my chagrin even, when the students overwhelmingly voted in favour of maintaining outright prohibition.

So, are we really winning the "war on drugs"?

Well, if the war on drugs means stopping every street corner turning into an opium den and discouraging the mass consumption of laudanum – as happened during the 19th century – then it has succeeded. But if the war on drugs means trying to reduce the illicit supply of drugs, then it has comprehensively failed.

One of my custody sergeants, who was discussing addiction at an event recently with Recovery Academy Durham, noticed the absence of a former addict we worked with called Gary, who is in his 40s and has been on drugs ever since he was 14. Gary had not been arrested recently, so it was concluded (wrongly) that "well, he must be dead". That is the shocking truth – the Garys of this world are either in prison, regularly arrested or dead. But can we not come up with a better way of helping people like him?

Not all crime gangs raise income through selling drugs, but in my experience most of them do. So offering an alternative route of supply to users cuts off the gang's income stream. If an addict were able to access drugs via the NHS or some similar organisation, then they would not have to go out and buy illegal drugs. And buying or being treated with diamorphine, say, is cheap.

Drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available. I think addiction to anything – be it drugs, alcohol gambling or anything else – is not a good thing, but outright prohibition just hands revenue streams to villains. Since 1971, prohibition has put billions into the hands of villains who sell adulterated drugs on the streets.

If you started to give a heroin addict the drug therapeutically, we would not have the scourge of hepatitis C and HIV spreading among needle users, for instance. I am calling for a controlled environment, not a free for all. In addition, I am saying that people who encourage others to take drugs by selling them are criminals, and their actions should be tackled. But addicts, on the other hand, need to be treated, cared for and encouraged to break the cycle of addiction. They do not need to be criminalised.

The approach to banned substances contrasts sharply with our attitude towards alcohol. I am deeply disappointed that the government has not followed through on its initial support for a minimum price for alcohol. In the north-east we suffer immense inequalities in health and life expectancy due to alcohol addiction. Is it fair that alcohol-related crime and licensing costs society in my own force area alone at least £65.8m a year?

Is it sensible that in County Durham, you can buy two litres of strong cider for just £1.99? I suspect it has never seen an apple, but is more akin to industrial ethanol. Social tolerance of excessive drinking has become far too great.

While having a drink was once only one part of socialising, many people now believe that the only purpose in going out of an evening is "to get smashed". The only consequence of their night out is a horrific hangover and vomit-stained clothing.

Drug addiction costs us a fortune, but it pales in comparison to the depredations of alcohol problems. All of this fuels the increasingly distressing problem of mental ill-health. Whatever the causes, the police are now mostly the first port of call and often the only agency called on and are then expected to deal with the impact of mental ill-health on society.

Have we not learned the lessons of prohibition in history? The Mob's sinister rise to prominence in the US was pretty much funded through its supply of a prohibited drug – alcohol. That's arguably what we are doing in the UK.

Britain's police forces all map the activities of organised crime. In my force area we have 43 organised crime groups on our radar. Most of them have their primary source of income in illicit drug supply; all of them are involved in some way.

These criminals are often local heroes and role models for young people who covet their wealth. Decriminalising their commodity will immediately cut off their income stream and destroy their power. Making drugs legal would tackle the supply chain much more effectively and much more economically than we can currently manage.

My argument for decriminalising drugs may seem paper-thin when one considers that alcohol is legal and yet extremely damaging. What I am saying is that we need to have a more honest debate.

But I leave you with the optimistic words of our friend, Gary, who is now methadone- and drug-free: "The future is rosy."

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johnny on the spot said:
Mike Barton, Durham Constabulary Chief Constable writing in The Observer this morning:

As a police officer for nearly 34 years, I have witnessed the worsening problems of drug addiction – whether it's to controlled substances or legal drugs, such as alcohol. The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 has prevailed throughout my time of service, but it would appear not to have had the impact that optimistic legislators planned.

Throughout those 34 years, I have recognised that it is an indisputable truth that drugs are bad. Occasionally, a retired colleague advocates a change, but mostly politicians, professionals and the media collude in the fiction that we are winning the war on drugs, or if not, that we still have to fight it in the same way.

Their message has been successful in winning support. Indeed, I recently joined a debating society event at the University of Durham, during which I argued for the decriminalisation of Class A drugs. I felt that our team was funnier, as well as better-informed and more erudite than the opposing team, who were advocating maintaining the status quo. Imagine my surprise, my chagrin even, when the students overwhelmingly voted in favour of maintaining outright prohibition.

So, are we really winning the "war on drugs"?

Well, if the war on drugs means stopping every street corner turning into an opium den and discouraging the mass consumption of laudanum – as happened during the 19th century – then it has succeeded. But if the war on drugs means trying to reduce the illicit supply of drugs, then it has comprehensively failed.

One of my custody sergeants, who was discussing addiction at an event recently with Recovery Academy Durham, noticed the absence of a former addict we worked with called Gary, who is in his 40s and has been on drugs ever since he was 14. Gary had not been arrested recently, so it was concluded (wrongly) that "well, he must be dead". That is the shocking truth – the Garys of this world are either in prison, regularly arrested or dead. But can we not come up with a better way of helping people like him?

Not all crime gangs raise income through selling drugs, but in my experience most of them do. So offering an alternative route of supply to users cuts off the gang's income stream. If an addict were able to access drugs via the NHS or some similar organisation, then they would not have to go out and buy illegal drugs. And buying or being treated with diamorphine, say, is cheap.

Drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available. I think addiction to anything – be it drugs, alcohol gambling or anything else – is not a good thing, but outright prohibition just hands revenue streams to villains. Since 1971, prohibition has put billions into the hands of villains who sell adulterated drugs on the streets.

If you started to give a heroin addict the drug therapeutically, we would not have the scourge of hepatitis C and HIV spreading among needle users, for instance. I am calling for a controlled environment, not a free for all. In addition, I am saying that people who encourage others to take drugs by selling them are criminals, and their actions should be tackled. But addicts, on the other hand, need to be treated, cared for and encouraged to break the cycle of addiction. They do not need to be criminalised.

The approach to banned substances contrasts sharply with our attitude towards alcohol. I am deeply disappointed that the government has not followed through on its initial support for a minimum price for alcohol. In the north-east we suffer immense inequalities in health and life expectancy due to alcohol addiction. Is it fair that alcohol-related crime and licensing costs society in my own force area alone at least £65.8m a year?

Is it sensible that in County Durham, you can buy two litres of strong cider for just £1.99? I suspect it has never seen an apple, but is more akin to industrial ethanol. Social tolerance of excessive drinking has become far too great.

While having a drink was once only one part of socialising, many people now believe that the only purpose in going out of an evening is "to get smashed". The only consequence of their night out is a horrific hangover and vomit-stained clothing.

Drug addiction costs us a fortune, but it pales in comparison to the depredations of alcohol problems. All of this fuels the increasingly distressing problem of mental ill-health. Whatever the causes, the police are now mostly the first port of call and often the only agency called on and are then expected to deal with the impact of mental ill-health on society.

Have we not learned the lessons of prohibition in history? The Mob's sinister rise to prominence in the US was pretty much funded through its supply of a prohibited drug – alcohol. That's arguably what we are doing in the UK.

Britain's police forces all map the activities of organised crime. In my force area we have 43 organised crime groups on our radar. Most of them have their primary source of income in illicit drug supply; all of them are involved in some way.

These criminals are often local heroes and role models for young people who covet their wealth. Decriminalising their commodity will immediately cut off their income stream and destroy their power. Making drugs legal would tackle the supply chain much more effectively and much more economically than we can currently manage.

My argument for decriminalising drugs may seem paper-thin when one considers that alcohol is legal and yet extremely damaging. What I am saying is that we need to have a more honest debate.

But I leave you with the optimistic words of our friend, Gary, who is now methadone- and drug-free: "The future is rosy."

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/28/ending-war-on-drugs-cut-crime-mike-barton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ike-barton</a>
Very well considered piece that.
 
Whilst nobody deserves to die from taking an Ecstasy tablet, your pretty stupid for running the risk. When I was younger and stupid, I would regularly take an E on a night out, but always bought it before I went out and off someone I know - but I cant exactly say I trusted them, they were a dealer after all. People who decide to buy a little tablet, that there isn't and idea of whats in it, or who they are buying it off whilst on a night off, are either stupid, or fucking stupid.

The problem with people taking drugs ATM, is only last month a huge, and I mean huge drugs bust in Holland uncovered a factory making and supplying tablets. The police confiscated well over £1 BILLION worth of drugs, meaning there is short supply of tablets at the minute. This will see a big rise in people passing off Ecstasy when there is fucking all sorts in the tablets.

Be careful, Be smart, don't take drugs - simple really.
 
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117 M34 said:
denislawsbackheel said:
SWP's back said:
Like every person that died from alcohol or smoking I guess?
What a moronic post!

Both products you mention are legal and controlled. Theses dickheads took ecstacy.
As I said Darwin candidates, the gene pool won't miss them.

What an absolute fuckwit you are.
BTW, I can almost guarantee that your children have tried some illegal drug, maybe not ecstasy, but an illegal drug of some kind.

Someone mentioned that you used to be a teacher, I hope not, I would hate to share a profession with a dickhead like you.

Looking at some the replies here, you are proving him right and btw this is a forum and people have every right to express their opinions, ok you don't like his opinion that's fine but there's no need for the name calling, you just weaken your own position.

None of you know for sure that his children have or ever will touch drugs, I too have raised my kids properly IMHO but I'm pretty sure they have all tried something apart from the 12 year old, all we can do is teach them and let them go, there are some lessons in life we can't teach they need to go out there and find out for themselves.

Speaking as someone who has lost a child in the past. ( not drug related) I sympathise with the families, but the fact remains if they hadn't taken the pills they would still be alive..........
 
If only more chief constables were as well informed and pragmatic as Mr Barton.
As Prestwich Blue correctly stated earlier, there needs to be a long overdue debate regarding drugs policy in this country, because the current system clearly isn't working.
All illegal drugs are cheaper and more readily available than ever, so it is obvious that the 'war on drugs' has been comprehensively lost, to the surprise of pretty much nobody.
Sadly this debate is unlikely to happen, given that all political parties are far more concerned with populist propaganda and misinformation in the name of winning votes than actually treating the people as rational folk capable of looking at the bigger picture, so I won't be holding my breath that drugs will be an issue foremost in the minds or policy making of our expenses fiddling elected representatives any time soon.
 
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themadinventor said:
117 M34 said:
denislawsbackheel said:
What a moronic post!

Both products you mention are legal and controlled. Theses dickheads took ecstacy.
As I said Darwin candidates, the gene pool won't miss them.

What an absolute fuckwit you are.
BTW, I can almost guarantee that your children have tried some illegal drug, maybe not ecstasy, but an illegal drug of some kind.

Someone mentioned that you used to be a teacher, I hope not, I would hate to share a profession with a dickhead like you.

Looking at some the replies here, you are proving him right

No he isn't, and that's because denislawsbackheel is completely wrong.
He doesn't think alcohol and tobacco are drugs.
Why? - because they are legal.
A statement so stupid that it bears repeating.
He shows no empathy and compassion for human life whatsoever in his simplistic and judgemental worldview.
So he is both ill informed and lacking basic humanity.
I'd say this suggests that he is a less than ideal candidate to be teaching kids or pontificating about drugs he has never taken.
 
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
If only more chief constables were as well informed and pragmatic as Mr Barton.
As Prestwich Blue correctly stated earlier, there needs to be a long overdue debate regarding drugs policy in this country, because the current system clearly isn't working.
All illegal drugs are cheaper and more readily available than ever, so it is obvious that the 'war on drugs' has been comprehensively lost, to the surprise of pretty much nobody.
Sadly this debate is unlikely to happen, given that all political parties are far more concerned with populist propaganda and misinformation in the name of winning votes than actually treating the people as rational folk capable of looking at the bigger picture, so I won't be holding my breath that drugs will be an issue foremost in the minds or policy making of our expenses fiddling elected representatives any time soon.

word..

Twenty years of recreational drug use has seen me have some brillaint times around the world. Friends, music, art, food, sex, empathy, tolerance, relationships, sport, intelligence, health, and most of all, fun have all been enhanced by the experience.
 
Similar thing happened in Sydney a couple of weeks ago, one death, few in hospital...bad batch responsible. Ecstasy pills seems such a gamble....not worth it imo. I've done MDMA crystals twice, only because it wasn't in pill form and my friends had been fine from the same batch.

I don't understand why there isn't more pressure to legalise and regulate certain drugs.
 
I'm not in the "I've never taken drugs so they are wrong" camp.

I'm not in the "Take drugs if you want" camp.

I'm in the "Try to make it as safe as possible" camp and let's stop distinguishing between the legal and illegal forms of drugs.

Young adults take risks we can try and help them make that risk they take a little more informed.
 
stonerblue said:
Ducado said:
I mean you just wouldn't would you?

The day they legalise and regulate recreational drugs can not come soon enough

A few weeks ago we were talking about the "Gin Craze" in 18th Century England, exactly the same thing happened, adulterated gin was killing thousands and leaving many more blind, they regulated the supply and the problem was solved.

Did we not lean from prohibition America? prohibit the supply of something that people want, leads to the creation of organised crime, I am afraid I may upset some on the left when I say "you can't buck the market"

The Dutch have it right regarding pills and clubs where they have little testing booths to check the ingrdients

Sorry mate I've checked your ingredients and 50% of the E's missing.
 

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