Craig_J said:BrianW said:The moaning about the Sheikh's investment annoys me. Because that's what it is, investment. He owns the club lock, stock and barrel and he's putting his own money into it.
Imagine that you own a business that needs taking up to the next level. You put your own money into it, lots of it. Is it reasonable for your competitors to woman and moan that this is 'unfair'? Should you just keep the business as it is instead, to please them?
Football since 1992 has developed an aristocracy of clubs that basically win everything and keep on doing so because the whole set-up is geared to shower them with vast sums of money. The only way to compete is to invest vast sums of money, either borrowed or by way of direct equity investment. Good management will only get you so far, as Everton, and now Spurs, have discovered. It will not get you regular top 4, which is where you need to be to be an 'aristocrat'.
City did not set up this shitty system. We were not part of the G14. We have simply found a way to break into the top table.
So-called 'financial fair play' will forever bar the 'peasants' from getting there. These clubs include the likes of Spurs, Everton, Villa, Newcastle, Sunderland and Leeds - teams with considerable 'history', and considerable stature in the game. The amazing thing is most fans of these clubs think 'financial fair play' is a great idea. No it ain't lads, it's specifically designed to shut you out, not just next season or the season after, but forever.
City just managed to jump on the gangplank at the very last moment. Don't blame us for the fact you are stranded. Blame the G14, the greed clubs who want the whole cake for themselves, and screw everyone else.
I'd rather have the FFP than what we have now.
At the moment two clubs are in the top 4 who have been brought over and had "investment" put in. They're the two that are hardest to compete with financialy.
Your comparing football purelly to a business, that annoys me more than anything. It's not just a business it's something which is part of the community.
Your right, unfortuantely that is the only way to compete. But does it make it right still?
Also, I've had a reply from the Glory Glory admin:
"Nobody's been banned for anything reasonable. If their first post is clearly a wind-up then we just never approve their accounts."
That's all it is.
Craig_J said:Didn't realise Sheik Mansour wanted a fan abse that can't sell out one of it's biggest games. I think he was looking more for the fan base your mysteriously going to get this season.
Really? Bizarre. Some of you lot are yet to figure it out it seems. Previously, you could take a gamble - try to spend to get into the Champions League, you managed it last year and almost managed it a few years before. You gamble to get Champions League, get Champions League money and then use it to keep yourself there - this might have happened for you had Arsenal not pipped you to the post. Alright, that is a shit situation because it's the self-perpetuating oligarchical system which got us in this financial mess of a league in the first place but at least there was the chance of some turnover, different clubs in there to mix it up a bit. Now, you won't even be able to make that gamble. It will become entrenched, far more so than before. You'll be as close to locked out as it is possible to be without a selective permanent European superleague. If you think the FFP is going to do you a favour, give yourself a slap, dunk your head in cold water, have some caffeine, and wake up.Craig_J said:I'd rather have the FFP than what we have now.
At the moment two clubs are in the top 4 who have been brought over and had "investment" put in. They're the two that are hardest to compete with financialy.
Your comparing football purelly to a business, that annoys me more than anything. It's not just a business it's something which is part of the community.
Your right, unfortuantely that is the only way to compete. But does it make it right still?
So why have you only just brought it up now?Craig_J said:Bluemoon115 said:Dear Craig,Craig_J said:Skashion said:Mods on Spurs forums in particular have to be very precious about their little dears. Their egos are already battered and bruised by some northern monkey club robbing them of their rightful place amongst the elite. They couldn't handle some facts to prove that the northern monkey club deserves it as well.
I'm a Spurs fan and I'm also on Glory Glory.
First of all I'll say are you being serious? The trouble isn't you lot coming on to say you deserve it, it's the fact your being absoloute wind up merchants. Your coming on and pretending to be Spurs fans whilst trying to cause trouble. Banter's fine, debate is fine, beign a WUM clearly isn't.
Secondly, blueranger I'm sorry they sent you an E-mail like that abck. I think putting that snide dig at the end is pretty pathetic. but are you sure that's all you posted?
If you want a discussion about this season then I'm prepared to have one.
The main problem us Spurs fans isn't the fact you got there ahead of us. Clearly you were better then us because the second half of the season we were utter dogshite for reasons such as a manager who isn't tactically all there and a lack of striker. But another problem is we're all going to be reacting to the fact you have money aren't we? It's not fair hence the reasons why UEFA are calling their new rules financial 'fair play'.
"On past performance, because they were screaming about money, i pointed out that since they were promoted in 77 we have been relegated 5 times once to the 3rd tier of english football and it's their fault if they could not use that bedrock foundation to establish them among the elite."
What do you mean exactly? The bedrock has only been around since the early 90's. Before that there wasn't much money around. And anyway, if we had won the title every eyar, been in the Champions League every eyar and won it then it wouldn't matter. You'd still eb able to outspend us.
The fact is the only reason you were brought is because you were a team in debt with not much history. Therefore you were cheap for a foreign owner to buy and he wouldn't have any comeption (or at least not much) when buying you. Is it fair that a team can get themselves in debt and then become the richest team in the world because of it? Do you really think that's fair?
Some of our comments may eb directed at City because of money. Even I've left those comments. But it's not City who's the problem it's the rulebook. I guess we all just need to ackowledge that a bit more.
"They keep comparing us to the Rags using success as the comparison. So i pointed out that they were in the shadow of a team with less than half the rags success and who had not won a trophy for 6 years."
Have we been comparing you to United? I have yet to see a comment. Maybe there are some but when you say "kept" you make it sound like it's a regular thing. If there's only one or two comments shouldn't you say " the extreme small minority compared us on one occasion to the rags"?
As you are no doubt aware, we beat you on Tuesday, which secured fourth place for City. Since then, it has become apparent that you and your ilk are a bunch of classless pussies who can't accept losing. I had a cheer up message for you, but decided not to bother wasting my time, as you'll still be twitching into your beer. Instead, I have the following message:
Go fuck yourself.
Kind regards,
Bluemoon115.
Your an idiot. Clearly this is just a Spurs fan being bitter thing.
Clearly all of UEFA don't agree and aren't implementing new rules to stop clubs doing this.
Clearly this hasn't been a discussion point since Chelsea were brought by the Russian gangster.
Don't be so deluded, go to Glory Glory when we were bottom of the league it was still an issue. It always has been and always will be.
That won't include Champions League revenue.Bluemoon115 said:Whereas you made a loss even with CL money. With none this year, no new stadium, no other true ways to maximise alternative revenue (apart from selling players, which isn't really an option if you want to carry on competing) you really will struggle. Worried?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11733227