robbieh said:BillyShears said:I think there's a fine line between a player, and, a group of players. I think if three or four of your best players, your hardest workers, feel the manager isn't getting the best out of them, then it's a major cause for concern and there can only ever be one winner. Not necessarily a bad thing either.
Frank Rijkaard lost control at Barca, and lost the support of key players in the dressing room. Similarly Scolari at Chelsea, lost the support of the key players in the dressing room. Neither club, IMO, did the wrong thing in getting rid of those managers, and neither club has since had any dressing room upheaval due to the manager.
In the modern European game, playing at the top end as we want to, we have to accept that outside of the autocracy run by Wenger and Fergie, the rest of the elite footballing world operates in the same way that City now operate. The key is finding a manager the players respect enough to run through brick walls for...I'm not sure we have that yet - and truth be told, we were closer to that when Hughes was in charge...
So they were running through brick walls for Hughes. Maybe that's why they defended so badly.
Mancini is doing quite well then considering half the team don't rate him.
If these guys can't respect a manager who as a player had more talent than any of them, and as a manager has won three scudettos then maybe they should take a look at themselves.
BillyShears said:robbieh said:And if the owner thinks that star players should be choosing the manager then he is a fool. I happen to think he is not and that if Tevez, Adebayor or whoever are not happy they will be leaving.
A question, which I'm sure you'll roundly ignore as it doesn't suit your preachy, holier than thou, attitude.
If your best players aren't in a position to tell you whether a manager is good or not, then who is?
BillyShears said:TheMightyQuinn said:No offence to Bellamy but he's the last person I'd listen to regarding something like this.
I said "players" as in plural. From what I'm reading in this thread, it's not ONE player who has a problem with Roberto, but a group of influential players. That's something very different, and really something quite serious...just my opinion like...
BillyShears said:I think there's a fine line between a player, and, a group of players. I think if three or four of your best players, your hardest workers, feel the manager isn't getting the best out of them, then it's a major cause for concern and there can only ever be one winner. Not necessarily a bad thing either.
robbieh said:BillyShears said:A question, which I'm sure you'll roundly ignore as it doesn't suit your preachy, holier than thou, attitude.
If your best players aren't in a position to tell you whether a manager is good or not, then who is?
as opposed to your know it all, arrogant and aggressive, attitude.
And in answer to your question. Great players don't have to be great judges of managers.
Two words. Alan Ball.robbieh said:If these guys can't respect a manager who as a player had more talent than any of them,
Of course it is. Who in their right mind would pay him £90,000 a week.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:29 pm --<br /><br />Chris_McFC100 said:Probly a load of bullshit.
Of course it is. Who in their right mind would pay him £90,000 a week.Chris_McFC100 said:Probly a load of bullshit.
BillyShears said:robbieh said:as opposed to your know it all, arrogant and aggressive, attitude.
And in answer to your question. Great players don't have to be great judges of managers.
That doesn't answer my question. If not the players, WHO????
C'mon genius, lets hear it...
Prestwich_Blue said:Two words. Alan Ball.robbieh said:If these guys can't respect a manager who as a player had more talent than any of them,