Bellamy bust up with Marwood

[robbieh]

I wouldn't put my faith in a players opinion of a manager because the majority of players are just about able to kick a football without somebody holding their hand, footballs been littered with player power for far too long and the only club that have resisted that happen to have been the most successful. What the fuck do any of them know about the other aspects of being a manager outside of picking a starting 11.

Think that's a little unfair and a bit of a generalisation. I've read a couple of football books where the players actually had a much better idea than the manager.

One was "Only A Game?" by Eammon Dunphy. He was a senior pro at Millwall and they were in the old Div 2 and felt they had a realistic chance of promotion to Div 1. He and his fellow senior pros were critical of the manager (Benny Fenton) and his coach. They felt that training wasn't making them sharp enough or covering the right sort of skills and said so. Fenton decided to clear them out and get a load of youngsters in. Next season, they were relegated.

The other book was Big Mal and it talks in depth of his time at West Ham. Funnily enough the manager there was Ted Fenton, Benny's brother and the senior players thought he was clueless as well. They were probably right as he was prepared to let a young Bobby Moore go. Allison knew he could do better and eventually he was running the training sessions with the agreement of the other players. Fenton wisely decided to let him get on with it and they were promoted to Div 1 and went on to become a pretty successful club.

So maybe sometimes players do know what they are talking about.

Yes sometimes they may well do. Big Mal knew a bit about football. However in the case we are now discussing we are not talking about the Fentons. We are talking about a guy who has won three scudettos.

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

 

[Blue2112]

I wouldn't put my faith in a players opinion of a manager because the majority of players are just about able to kick a football without somebody holding their hand, footballs been littered with player power for far too long and the only club that have resisted that happen to have been the most successful. What the fuck do any of them know about the other aspects of being a manager outside of picking a starting 11.

Think that's a little unfair and a bit of a generalisation. I've read a couple of football books where the players actually had a much better idea than the manager.

One was "Only A Game?" by Eammon Dunphy. He was a senior pro at Millwall and they were in the old Div 2 and felt they had a realistic chance of promotion to Div 1. He and his fellow senior pros were critical of the manager (Benny Fenton) and his coach. They felt that training wasn't making them sharp enough or covering the right sort of skills and said so. Fenton decided to clear them out and get a load of youngsters in. Next season, they were relegated.

The other book was Big Mal and it talks in depth of his time at West Ham. Funnily enough the manager there was Ted Fenton, Benny's brother and the senior players thought he was clueless as well. They were probably right as he was prepared to let a young Bobby Moore go. Allison knew he could do better and eventually he was running the training sessions with the agreement of the other players. Fenton wisely decided to let him get on with it and they were promoted to Div 1 and went on to become a pretty successful club.

So maybe sometimes players do know what they are talking about.

A whole different era when footballers were a different breed and I remember listening to Tony Cascarino saying that when he retired he didn't even know how to book a dentist appointment or an hotel room after he packed the game in. Everythings done for the modern day player and I just think they find it all too easy when things don't go exactly to their liking and start sounding off. I mean twice daily training FFS, it must keep them off the golf course no doubt, give me a break. We have a new team, new manager and fighting for a Champions League place and they should be busting a gut to put in a few extra hours a week for their 100k and getting to gel together and know each other a whole lot more.

 

[Danamy]

The thing is i think we're too predictable and one dimensional.
Every man and his dog knew that Taggart would pick 5 in midfield against us and leave Rooney up top on his own.
You pick the team on who your playing like Fergie did and that's what a squad is for, Fergie has got it right both times.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

The players we have are mainly experienced Premiership players who have played for good managers in the past. Tevez under Ferguson, Toure & Adebayor under Wenger, Bridge & SWP under Mourinho, Bellamy under too many to mention, Barry under O'Neill, Lescott under Moyes.

Didi Hamann was a friend of a friend and he used to say that training at City was a complete joke compared to Liverpool. Would you trust his judgement?

Mancini has managed in the Premiership for 4 months and 17 games. Plenty of managers who have been successful in European leagues have bombed in the Premiership.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

The players we have are mainly experienced Premiership players who have played for good managers in the past. Tevez under Ferguson, Toure & Adebayor under Wenger, Bridge & SWP under Mourinho, Bellamy under too many to mention, Barry under O'Neill, Lescott under Moyes.

Didi Hamann was a friend of a friend and he used to say that training at City was a complete joke compared to Liverpool. Would you trust his judgement?

Mancini has managed in the Premiership for 4 months and 17 games. Plenty of managers who have been successful in European leagues have bombed in the Premiership.

Whilst I'm confident that training under Pearce and Sven was a joke I hope it's improved some now.

Also, whilst I wouldn't debate Didi knowing his stuff I would add that it is all down to opinion. I'm sure we could pick 10 current players at random and we'd get 10 different opinions on training. Granted, they'd all deliver the opinion in that asinine manner that footballers specialise in but never the less.

 

[Braggster]

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

The players we have are mainly experienced Premiership players who have played for good managers in the past. Tevez under Ferguson, Toure & Adebayor under Wenger, Bridge & SWP under Mourinho, Bellamy under too many to mention, Barry under O'Neill, Lescott under Moyes.

Didi Hamann was a friend of a friend and he used to say that training at City was a complete joke compared to Liverpool. Would you trust his judgement?

Mancini has managed in the Premiership for 4 months and 17 games. Plenty of managers who have been successful in European leagues have bombed in the Premiership.

Equally, players of the calibre - and professionalism - of Zanetti, Cambiasso and Ibrahimovic had nothing but positive words to say about Mancini and his training methods.

It's clear that there are lots of players at City who don't like Mancini (or his methods), but that doesn't mean they're right and he is wrong. Depends to a great degree on what they don't like. Tevez's complaint - if that is really what he objects to - is easily dismissed as irrelevant, for example.

 

[robbieh]

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

The players we have are mainly experienced Premiership players who have played for good managers in the past. Tevez under Ferguson, Toure & Adebayor under Wenger, Bridge & SWP under Mourinho, Bellamy under too many to mention, Barry under O'Neill, Lescott under Moyes.

Didi Hamann was a friend of a friend and he used to say that training at City was a complete joke compared to Liverpool. Would you trust his judgement?

Mancini has managed in the Premiership for 4 months and 17 games. Plenty of managers who have been successful in European leagues have bombed in the Premiership.

Yes I suspect Didi would have found City rather unprofessional after spells at Liverpool and Bayern.

And from the players you mention which ones want Mancini out?

And a further question. How many Seria A/La Liga winning managers have been employed by English clubs. Apart from Rafa and Bobby.

 

[bizzbo]

If the players think they know more than him they are almost certainly wrong.

Take the England 66 team, many great players. Moore, Charlton, Ball etc Almost all of them tried management and virtually all of them were complete failures as managers.

The players we have are mainly experienced Premiership players who have played for good managers in the past. Tevez under Ferguson, Toure & Adebayor under Wenger, Bridge & SWP under Mourinho, Bellamy under too many to mention, Barry under O'Neill, Lescott under Moyes.

Didi Hamann was a friend of a friend and he used to say that training at City was a complete joke compared to Liverpool. Would you trust his judgement?

Mancini has managed in the Premiership for 4 months and 17 games. Plenty of managers who have been successful in European leagues have bombed in the Premiership.

tevez clearly didn't see eye to eye with fergie. bellamy didn't see eye to eye with anyone from rafa benitez to bobby robson. bridge and swp were very much bit part players under mourinho.... he used to constantly scream at swp from the sidelines. barry spent one season under o'neill. big whoop.

tevez and the arsenal boys have been regulars in title winning teams. the rest haven't. I would struggle to think of any of the players mentioned as wise, experienced heads who really knew a thing or two. toure, perhaps. the rest are, with the best will in the world, over-grown kids, many of whom have big mouths. apart from barry, perhaps, but he's just too passive to carry any real say so. there aren't genuine senior figures at our club apart from sylvinho and viera. those two, I would be interested to hear from.

anyway so far he hasn't bombed, not by a long shot. fewer goals conceded, as many scored, and more points in the bag. there were four in the race for fourth, and we were lagging behind two of them. now there are two, and despite a bitter defeat and two extraordinary results from spurs, it's still in our hands. the probabilities implied by the odds are about 57% to spurs, 43 to us. and that's after two huge wins on the trot for spurs that will have had MOTD man racing to put money on them, we all know the market over-reacts to the last result.

 

[Bill]

it was you lot that got hughes sacked,

you are right, and i can name names.it was Mike D and scorer.

 

[blueinsa]

it was you lot that got hughes sacked,

you are right, and i can name names.it was Mike D and scorer.

Oi! Dont forget me!