Bellamy on his future (and the fall out) {merged}

[Anonymous]

City have played an absolute blinder....not only do they get to force Bellamy out the door, and most likely to somewhere he'd rather not go, but they get to make out like they're the victims of Crazy Craig's disloyalty as well...

You can give players the benefit of the doubt in some circumstances. However, Bellamy has now left about 4 clubs, Liverpool, West Ham, Newcastle and Man City under strange circumstances. It begins to stop looking like a coincidence and more like an idiotic player, after the 3rd or 4th time.

Bellamy's the perfect patsy for those exact reasons...

Look, I don't doubt that him and Mancini have had their problems, and I don't doubt that the best thing for the good of the club is for Mancini to ship out any players he doesn't believe in, or he doesn't want around. But this entire interview thing has been blown way the fuck out of proportion. Bellamy didn't, in my opinion, say anything particularly controversial. The one quote which everyone has picked up on is the "we've not spoken in six months" - but it's constantly being taken out of context. Watching the full interview it didn't seem particularly harsh or bitter, and he did qualify it by saying that he never spoke to O'Neil at Celtic, and that Hughes was similar.

This particular storm in a teacup will blow itself out as soon as Milner and Balo have signed.

 

[squirtyflower]

City have played an absolute blinder....not only do they get to force Bellamy out the door, and most likely to somewhere he'd rather not go, but they get to make out like they're the victims of Crazy Craig's disloyalty as well...

You can give players the benefit of the doubt in some circumstances. However, Bellamy has now left about 4 clubs, Liverpool, West Ham, Newcastle and Man City under strange circumstances. It begins to stop looking like a coincidence and more like an idiotic player, after the 3rd or 4th time.

sucked in by the crap
a) bellamy is still a city player
b) bellamy left west ham after city's huge offer, there was no friction and the papers that suggested there was were sued by bellamy and he won!
your third or fourth time is as accurate as a Sun headline, and as scurrilous

 

[Adebayors lovechild]

I say we let him go, no-ones bigger than the club, if he wants to spit his dummy out then fine let him go somewhere else, he needs torealise that we're building something great at mcfc and mancini clearly stated pre-season that there will be a rotation to the squad this year, balls to him if he thinks he's bigger than the club!!!!!!!!

 

[Bigga]

Just to chip my tuppence's worth in: Bells is a quality player, no doubt. He, at the end of his career, can only look back and truly know whether he has any regrets or not. I don't mind that he speaks for himself, about whether he is happy or not, same with Ireland, and Big Ned (and they're all being shipped out!!), but he cannot do is speak for 'others'.

I find it particularly funny that he says Robby hasn't spoken to him or 'Tevs', when 'Tevs' has been made "club captain". Peculiar, non?

Still, Bells, being professional and having the best chance of your career to own medals has just gone boom.

 

[GStar]

Bellamy's an honest player - his own person, with his own views who isn't afraid to express them. I like that.

The SSN interview, he said nothing wrong imo, and he should, on ability, be in our 25. He said numerous times that he wanted to stay ( in that interview) but without actually being told, City are forcing him out of the door with actions, rather than words. A bit like Ireland.

Show our players a bit of respect and let them know where they stand. Bellamy gives as much as anyone on the pitch and his main source of 'trouble' has either been around lazy team mates or coaching staff not understanding his injury.

Hardly a trouble maker at our club, look at the amount of legal action he's taken and the retractions the papers have printed.

I don't like our conduct at the moment, and Mancini doesn't seemed to have improved his English over the summer - which doesn't help.

It's playerS and we don't arrive at he top 4 we challenge for it.

Anyway...

 

[YourBirdCanSing]

Well ... Looks like he'll be out in some form or another before the deadline: <a class="postlink" href="http://tiny.cc/2yzkk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://tiny.cc/2yzkk</a>

Whether these interviews are pre meditated, or an honest guy shooting from the hip, it doesn't matter. He's gone against Mancini, and he's lost. Last night he asked Toshack for a full 90 mins, 'cos he's had so little game time pre-season. In the interview after the game, a BBC presenter told him about not being in the Europa league squad. The club hadn't. He's finished at City, sadly.

It's bad news for 2 reasons:

1. We're losing one of our best players. Forget his knees - last season he scored 10, had the most assists, and the best attitude of any player on the pitch bar Tevez. He linked up brilliantly with Carlos, and opposition teams HATED playing against him. If it hadn't been for Tevez's goals, Bellamy would have been our player of the season, No doubt about it.

2. I understand the manager has to have authority. But it has to be consistent. Mancini isn't showing strength here, he's showing exactly the same weakness we all criticized Hughes for. You can't let some players behave differently from others. Otherwise, nobody knows where they stand. Tevez speaks out against the training sessions, and he's made Club Captain. Bellamy speaks out, and he's forced out.

It's exactly what Hughes did. Robihno and Elano both behaved badly, but Hughes supported Robhino and scapegoated Elano. And exactly how did Robinho re-pay that loyalty? By taking the piss. Stand by for Tevez to do the same in the next 2 years.

Bellamy is an idiot, no question. But he's a great player. A vital player for us.

Mancini should have tried harder to work with him.If not, he should be consistent, and offload everyone who's ever criticized him publicly, (including Tevez, Robinho & Given).

Be consistent, or don't make a stand at all. This is BAD management.

 

[squirtyflower]

Bellamy's an honest player - his own person, with his own views who isn't afraid to express them. I like that.

The SSN interview, he said nothing wrong imo, and he should, on ability, be in our 25. He said numerous times that he wanted to stay ( in that interview) but without actually being told, City are forcing him out of the door with actions, rather than words. A bit like Ireland.

Show our players a bit of respect and let them know where they stand. Bellamy gives as much as anyone on the pitch and his main source of 'trouble' has either been around lazy team mates or coaching staff not understanding his injury.

Hardly a trouble maker at our club, look at the amount of legal action he's taken and the retractions the papers have printed.

I don't like our conduct at the moment, and Mancini doesn't seemed to have improved his English over the summer - which doesn't help.

It's playerS and we don't arrive at he top 4 we challenge for it.

Anyway...

well done Gstar, some much needed balance
i'm for supporting the club over there dealings but they should show all their employees respect
if you have tough decisions to make you should also have the balls to face people and tell them exactly where they stand
i certainly don't like the way we seem to be freezing people out on the sly

 

[city-of-cardiff]

could you possibly be wrong about your high 5 theory, you could be seeing what you want to see, i know that craig has known harry for donkeys years, since he was at norwich in fact, ive seen them at welsh games etc, (when hartson was at west ham) they get along.. same as loads of other players and other managers. ive also seen bellers score against redknapp teams, a smile can mean loads of things..you seem to think - "there you go, glad you won", because it fits your bellamys a twat theory., it could just aswell mean "you lucky fecking sod" or other, we shouldnt read to much into a "high5" when none of us know what was said, and i am sure craig was as sick as a pig at losing that game, with so much riding on it. thats my opinion anyway

Look at the full TV footage.

If you think that is a bloke "as sick as a pig" to lose to Spurs then fine. I wouldn't suggest a career in body language assessment for you though.

i am looking at a PICTURE, sorry, but cannot be arsed trawling for the footage, you post it i will look at it, hows that? & if this was such a crime how come he wasnt put on the transfer list, fined, hung drawn & quartered days after, i think you are reading too much into someone being gracious in defeat,but towards a long standing friend. l(my opinion), fits in nicely following the interview/witch hunt (i found nothing wrong with that either to be honest).<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:57 am --<br /><br />

Bellamy's an honest player - his own person, with his own views who isn't afraid to express them. I like that.

The SSN interview, he said nothing wrong imo, and he should, on ability, be in our 25. He said numerous times that he wanted to stay ( in that interview) but without actually being told, City are forcing him out of the door with actions, rather than words. A bit like Ireland.

Show our players a bit of respect and let them know where they stand. Bellamy gives as much as anyone on the pitch and his main source of 'trouble' has either been around lazy team mates or coaching staff not understanding his injury.

Hardly a trouble maker at our club, look at the amount of legal action he's taken and the retractions the papers have printed.

I don't like our conduct at the moment, and Mancini doesn't seemed to have improved his English over the summer - which doesn't help.

It's playerS and we don't arrive at he top 4 we challenge for it.

Anyway...

well done Gstar, some much needed balance
i'm for supporting the club over there dealings but they should show all their employees respect
if you have tough decisions to make you should also have the balls to face people and tell them exactly where they stand
i certainly don't like the way we seem to be freezing people out on the sly

very, very well put!

 

[Anonymous]

Well ... Looks like he'll be out in some form or another before the deadline: <a class="postlink" href="http://tiny.cc/2yzkk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://tiny.cc/2yzkk</a>

Whether these interviews are pre meditated, or an honest guy shooting from the hip, it doesn't matter. He's gone against Mancini, and he's lost. Last night he asked Toshack for a full 90 mins, 'cos he's had so little game time pre-season. In the interview after the game, a BBC presenter told him about not being in the Europa league squad. The club hadn't. He's finished at City, sadly.

It's bad news for 2 reasons:

1. We're losing one of our best players. Forget his knees - last season he scored 10, had the most assists, and the best attitude of any player on the pitch bar Tevez. He linked up brilliantly with Carlos, and opposition teams HATED playing against him. If it hadn't been for Tevez's goals, Bellamy would have been our player of the season, No doubt about it.

2. I understand the manager has to have authority. But it has to be consistent. Mancini isn't showing strength here, he's showing exactly the same weakness we all criticized Hughes for. You can't let some players behave differently from others. Otherwise, nobody knows where they stand. Tevez speaks out against the training sessions, and he's made Club Captain. Bellamy speaks out, and he's forced out.

It's exactly what Hughes did. Robihno and Elano both behaved badly, but Hughes supported Robhino and scapegoated Elano. And exactly how did Robinho re-pay that loyalty? By taking the piss. Stand by for Tevez to do the same in the next 2 years.

Bellamy is an idiot, no question. But he's a great player. A vital player for us.

Mancini should have tried harder to work with him.If not, he should be consistent, and offload everyone who's ever criticized him publicly, (including Tevez, Robinho & Given).

Be consistent, or don't make a stand at all. This is BAD management.

That's a great post. You won't find many takers around here though...parallels between Hughes and Mancini are forbidden, as is anything deemed to be overly critical of him.

The fact is that Mancini arrived in the USA at the beginning of preseason knowing who he was going to keep, and who he wanted rid of. Those players who he wanted rid of were marginalized during the tour (Bellamy more than others). I actually don't have a problem with any of this, as it's the manager's prerogative.

As you say, it just smacks a little of double standards though for City to know be leaking stories to the press about just what a tough job poor City have had dealing with Crazy Craig and his terrible ways. Bellamy was never a liability on the pitch, and that's why he was picked over and over again by Mancini. Lets not forget that Bellers kept Robbie and SWP pretty much consistentlly out of the team. It stands to reason then that he would have something to say about being forced out the door after a season like the one he'd just had. And there's been plenty of players with plenty to say since Mancini took over and none of them have had the press briefed against them in the way that Bellamy has, none has been fined, and none scapegoated.

Oh, and a couple of other thoughts, just as an aside. Clubs can fine players, but what recourse do players have when their club is leaking totally false stories? And I vividly recall the invective flying around these parts directed at Hughes for trying to strengthen his power base as manager by briefing the press. The same tactic, now employed by Mancini, is practically being applauded.

 

[mancity1]

Despite his tendency to say things from time to time that ruffle a few feathers and keep the press with fodder that naive people buy into , its what he does on the pitch and how he contributes on match day that's important.

If the players find him difficult to deal with on the pitch and the club as a whole from the board down think he is a liability and distractive influence and impacting negatively on match days and in training during the week and he has been properly counciled over a long period of time and he doesn't alter his behaviour then fair enough a decision has to be made about whether he should be at our club or moved on.

You have all sorts of characters and personalities at a club and it how a manager handles them to obtain the best possible outcome week in week out that determines how a club will regard that manager.

Its clear that the owners have high expectations this year and will not hesitate to act accordingly if Mancini fails to deliver on those expectations.

Personally I think both Mancini and Bellamy are professional enough to handle any angst that may exist between them and work towards ensuring we finish as high as possible this season as both have some decent incentives to do so but if they cannot then Bellamy has to go and Mancini has to realise that man management and how well he does it will determine in no small part how successful he will be viewed in the toughest league around and whether he eventually plays a part in some of the best success the club has ever had.