Bellamy's been banned from the club

[Rammy Blue]

We often have threads on here about Israel. There are usually a number of posters who believe there is only black & white and that one side is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong. In fact the real truth lies somewhere in the middle and I suspect this may well be the case here.

As a few have said, it's generally understood that Mancini's position was not made clear until very late in the season. Not only that, a number of senior player were assured he wouldn't be here this season. Then they were told he was. If that's the way it happened then the club got that wrong in my opinion.

I don't think there's much doubt or argument that Bellamy was strongly pro-Hughes and therefore it's a fair assumption that he was upset by Hughes' sacking. You can't always like or get on with the people you work for so I don't necessarily see it as a problem that Bellamy doesn't like Mancini. But he should be showing some respect. We also don't know ehat has really gone on betwen them but these things are so often about one person's perception of what the other has or hasn't done or said.

I was in a situation where a senior executive took an off-the-cuff comment I made (which I thought was innocuous) and stewed over it for more than a year before I found out. By then our relationship had broken down beyond saving whereas a quiet word from her at the time could easily have stopped that. The point is that there are ways of dealing with personality problems, some of which are mature and adult and some that aren't.

It seems to me that maybe both parties have been too pig-headed to see this. Even if Bellamy can't get on with Mancini and doesn't feel he can play for him, then he should say "Look boss, it's not working so why not just let me go and, whatever I think about you, I'll toe the line in public."

And maybe Mancini should have said "Look Craig, we ain't ever going to be bosom buddies and you can be a complete arsehole sometimes but you're a good player and I want you in my squad. If you're happy with that then all I ask is you give your best and toe the line. If you have any problems come to me not the press. But if you really can't do that then we'll look at alternatives."

Absolutely fantastic post.

Only a good post in a "wide-sweeping" context.

Bellamy thought Bob would be gone at the end of the season, add this to the Gollum and Twitcher incidents, chuck in a good kicking outside a nightclub and what do you get?

Irreparable.

 

[alera]

No i didn't, i haven't said any of that... i've actually said both sides could have handled themselves better.

Your well into the double figures now of quoting me and telling me i've said things i haven't.

So again how did the club handle the situation badly with Bellamy ? What proof is there except the speculation that Mancini is "A bad man manager" and there has been "poor communication" Seems to be pure speculation and conjecture ?

You come in say black is white. Ignore what people are saying then say you are being dictated to and misquoted.

You said both sides were at fault. So how was the club and manger at fault exactly ? BTW the fact is am trying to get your side of the story surely shows you are not being dictated to ?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

No i didn't, i haven't said any of that... i've actually said both sides could have handled themselves better.

Your well into the double figures now of quoting me and telling me i've said things i haven't.

So again how did the club handle the situation badly with Bellamy ? What proof is there except the speculation that Mancini is "A bad man manager" and there has been "poor communication" Seems to be pure speculation and conjecture ?

You come in say black is white. Ignore what people are saying then say you are being dictated to and misquoted.

You said both sides were at fault. So how was the club and manger at fault exactly ? BTW the fact is am trying to get your side of the story surely shows you are not being dictated to ?

You're right it is all speculation and conjecture amongst us fans.

So how can you claim the club is faultless and the blame solely Bellamy's?

Can't you see the contradiction here?

You're tubthumping mate, pure and simple, if I'm honest.

 

[Dhenry]

No i didn't, i haven't said any of that... i've actually said both sides could have handled themselves better.

Your well into the double figures now of quoting me and telling me i've said things i haven't.

So again how did the club handle the situation badly with Bellamy ? What proof is there except the speculation that Mancini is "A bad man manager" and there has been "poor communication" Seems to be pure speculation and conjecture ?

You come in say black is white. Ignore what people are saying then say you are being dictated to and misquoted.

You said both sides were at fault. So how was the club and manger at fault exactly ? BTW the fact is am trying to get your side of the story surely shows you are not being dictated to ?

I'm more willing to side with alera here in general, because - it is possible if not probable that the club have handled it badly as well as Bellamy - but as of now, we only have proof of wrongdoings from one side.

Doesn't mean we can't question the club's actions, but laying the blame on speculation and imagination is wrong.

Either way, Bellamy was out of line, he had no excuse for his outbursts and lies. If anything, he should take note of the club keeping silent and not laying the blame, and consider that that is something he should've done. The biggest mistake any side can make is to start fighting this out in the public. And well done to everyone on the club's side from refraining from that.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Onouha (Publicly abused Mancini)
Ireland (Mentally unstable)
Bellamy (Twat)
Given (Publicly moaning about lack of first team football, laying down ultimatums)
Shaun Wright Phillips (Wages - wants £100,000+)
Jo (Trouble maker under Hughes)

Are all cancerous. You could even throw Cruz (Hughe's lover) and Robinho (although i'm not sure if he hated us, or Hughes) in there.

Please get rid!

 

[Anonymous]

Absolutely fantastic post.

Only a good post in a "wide-sweeping" context.

Bellamy thought Bob would be gone at the end of the season, add this to the Gollum and Twitcher incidents, chuck in a good kicking outside a nightclub and what do you get?

Irreparable.

The Everton/Moyes thing was never proven one way or the other. I know for a fact that none of the City players heard/talked about it. The Spurs/Rednapp thing - yes, it was unsettling. But no more so than seeing Carlos smiling and high fiving United players after the derby defeats. Again, it didn't register on many people's radars other than those who were looking for something to hang Bellamy with...

Of course, Bellamy's history makes it very easy to paint him as the perennial antagonist in these situations, and certainly City have played a blinding hand in doing just that. City know 99% of supporters will never know the truth, and will happily buy the "he's unprofessional and disloyal" line.

 

[GStar]

No i didn't, i haven't said any of that... i've actually said both sides could have handled themselves better.

Your well into the double figures now of quoting me and telling me i've said things i haven't.

So again how did the club handle the situation badly with Bellamy ? What proof is there except the speculation that Mancini is "A bad man manager" and there has been "poor communication" Seems to be pure speculation and conjecture ?

You come in say black is white. Ignore what people are saying then say you are being dictated to and misquoted.

You said both sides were at fault. So how was the club and manger at fault exactly ? BTW the fact is am trying to get your side of the story surely shows you are not being dictated to ?

You're trying to get my side of the story, or are you telling my side of the story to me:

"You come in say black is white. Ignore what people are saying then say you are being dictated to and misquoted."

The fact we've let it get to this point shows error on both sides, Bellamy for going public and our club for not managing the player correctly. It seems the relationship soured when Mancini wiouldn't allow Bellamy a seperate fitness regime to the squad in order to preserve his knees. I don't think that was an outlandish request.

Then, to point the finger at Bellamy saying things to Moyes about Mancini, using it against him when the club said there was no proof... sit him down, clear the air (like we did with Tevez) move on.

Of course that may have happened we'll never know. But from everything i've seen and read it seems both sides have faults against them.

Bellamy upped the ante once he was told he wasn't making the 25... i'd consider the same if i was a proffesional at the end of my career.

If my employer told me i wouldn't be working, in a job i loved, i'd much rather move company than simply pick up my wage. If the only option left for me was to uproot my family to a country i didn't want to live in (i.e Germany and Wolfsburg) or make my position untennable and try and get to a company i wanted to work for, which didn't involve uprooting my family, i'd seriously consider the same thing.

Remeber we've told Bellamy we don't want him... now we're telling him he can only be sold to certain clubs. We're having our cake and eating it... good on us, but don't cry and point fingers when there's a backlash.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And maybe Mancini should have said "Look Craig, we ain't ever going to be bosom buddies and you can be a complete arsehole sometimes but you're a good player and I want you in my squad. If you're happy with that then all I ask is you give your best and toe the line. If you have any problems come to me not the press. But if you really can't do that then we'll look at alternatives."

How do you know Mancini didnt do this ?

I'm presuming he didn't because of the way the situation has developed. If he did say this and Bellamy agreed but then threw it back in his face then the club are entitled to be annoyed. My strong suspicion is that two alpha males have been facing each other down.

 

[GStar]

The Everton/Moyes thing was never proven one way or the other. I know for a fact that none of the City players heard/talked about it. The Spurs/Rednapp thing - yes, it was unsettling. But no more so than seeing Carlos smiling and high fiving United players after the derby defeats. Again, it didn't register on many people's radars other than those who were looking for something to hang Bellamy with...

Of course, Bellamy's history makes it very easy to paint him as the perennial antagonist in these situations, and certainly City have played a blinding hand in doing just that. City know 99% of supporters will never know the truth, and will happily buy the "he's unprofessional and disloyal" line.

Top post Billy, the minte the final whistle went at the Swamp, Tevez had a big grin on his face joking with his ex team mates... but he's indispensible at the moment, so we'll conveniently forget that.

The sooner people uderstand footballers are professionals and not loyal to the club, the better. They'll give there efforts on the pitch, regardless of the shirt colour.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Remeber we've told Bellamy we don't want him... now we're telling him he can only be sold to certain clubs. We're having our cake and eating it... good on us, but don't cry and point fingers when there's a backlash.

This is one of the things making me uneasy about this whole thing.

We don't need to be blocking moves to certain clubs, surely.

Couldn't that be argued as a restraint of trade in a European court?

Common sense and pragmatism seem to be breaking out in this thread.

And I think Billy is right, City are manipulating the media and the fans cleverly here. And the tubthumpers are falling for it hook line and sinker.