Benifit System in Britian

Although there are many problems with our benefit system, I am very glad it's there.

Walk around streets in San Francisco, Oakland and Los Angeles, or streets closer to Britain in Lisbon, or that of Eastern Europe and you'll see the destitution of a lot of people there. If you're very poor, ill or have an accident so can't work you're basically on your own.

In any case I don't understand the increased anger with people at the bottom of the economic scale who are on benefits, yet those bailed out at the top are virtually forgotten about.
 
ob said:
mrcunny said:
Imo nothing in life is for free,even if some cant find work they should somehow contribute to the community instead of watching jeremy kyle and sitting on their pot smoking ass....


My sister is on benefits and helped out part time in British Heart Foundation shop, she was told to stop or they would stop her some of her benefit as she wasn't available for work during these hours, she tried to explain she was getting experience dealing with customers and money, banking the takings, opening and closing the shop but dole didn't want to know

This is all too common and an absolute fucking scandal.

Last year half the guys I volunteer with were told by the Dole that they'd have their money withdrawn if they continued volunteering with our community projects. Who sent them to volunteer in the first place? Yep, you guessed it...
 
argyle said:
Although there are many problems with our benefit system, I am very glad it's there.

Walk around streets in San Francisco, Oakland and Los Angeles, or streets closer to Britain in Lisbon, or that of Eastern Europe and you'll see the destitution of a lot of people there. If you're very poor, ill or have an accident so can't work you're basically on your own.

In any case I don't understand the increased anger with people at the bottom of the economic scale who are on benefits, yet those bailed out at the top are virtually forgotten about.
This.
 
argyle said:
Although there are many problems with our benefit system, I am very glad it's there.

Walk around streets in San Francisco, Oakland and Los Angeles, or streets closer to Britain in Lisbon, or that of Eastern Europe and you'll see the destitution of a lot of people there. If you're very poor, ill or have an accident so can't work you're basically on your own.

In any case I don't understand the increased anger with people at the bottom of the economic scale who are on benefits, yet those bailed out at the top are virtually forgotten about.
Agree 100%.
 
argyle said:
Although there are many problems with our benefit system, I am very glad it's there.

Walk around streets in San Francisco, Oakland and Los Angeles, or streets closer to Britain in Lisbon, or that of Eastern Europe and you'll see the destitution of a lot of people there. If you're very poor, ill or have an accident so can't work you're basically on your own.

In any case I don't understand the increased anger with people at the bottom of the economic scale who are on benefits, yet those bailed out at the top are virtually forgotten about.

I want to kiss you. With my tongue.
 
mancitygaz said:
Biased and stereotypical! It's common sense ffs.
No it isn't. "Common sense" implies that the subject is so easy to understand that you would have to be a complete moron or a child not to understand it.

The economical system is so unbelievably complex that even I, a master of fag packet economics, don't have a fucking clue how to fix the problem. I can tell you what won't help though, and that's getting rid of all the jobs Labour created in the public sector and pretending that some magical pixies will reinvigourate the jobs market.

Fag packet economics explains a lot of things quite nicely.

mrcunny said:
denislawsbackheel said:
How do we make "stuff" that can compete with people who make the same "stuff" in other parts of the world for a tenth of what we have to pay as a living wage?
germany,sweden,france and others do...
Britain (and Germany) still makes a metric fuckton of money by manufacturing things that other countries cannot yet manufacture, either because it is not economical for them to do so, or because we manufacture it so well that they cannot compete.

Case in point 1, Rover. Anyone can make badly made unreliable cars, so now we don't make them any more.

Case in point 2, BAE. We make the best stuff for ethnic cleansing / oppressive regimes. Bar none. Well except Lockheed Martin maybe, they make pretty good missiles.

Case in point 3, although not British, Volvo. If your cars don't break then you can't make money on repairs. So Ford bought Volvo, and started putting some shit Ford parts in them, so that they can make some money on repairs again.

I need a fag.

denislawsbackheel said:
Could you please explain the point of having any gold reserves? It seems to me the idea of national gold reserves is a MIckey Mouse concept.
It is a Micky Mouse concept, but unfortunately it's the basis for the current global economic model. <a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3790090544</a>

If you want to lend someone 8x what you have in your pocket, if you have a big pile of gold in your pocket that you've stolen from Wales/Africa/the Nazis then you can lend a lot more, and interest pays very well indeed. If you don't have any gold then you are in a weaker financial position. Also, since it's so rare, and so many people want it, the price of gold is always going up, so it's a good investment, and since it's so bloody heavy compared to many other metals, it's also quite easy to store.

I need a fag.

johnny on the spot said:
ob said:
My sister is on benefits and helped out part time in British Heart Foundation shop, she was told to stop or they would stop her some of her benefit as she wasn't available for work during these hours,
This is all too common and an absolute fucking scandal.
Last year half the guys I volunteer with were told by the Dole that they'd have their money withdrawn if they continued volunteering with our community projects. Who sent them to volunteer in the first place? Yep, you guessed it...
Why would you admit to the dole office that you are volunteering?!?! It's none of their business what you do with your free time. (Although personally if I wanted a paid job, I'd spend all my time looking for paid jobs, not volunteering for free.)

Lucky13 said:
The fact is that you can be born into a jobless household , leave school receive benefits , impregnate someone , be given a house , rent paid for and more benefits given as you breed more , all until the day you die and have never contributed anything towards the society that pays for you to do this because " it's my rights ".
They also tend to die before the age of 50.

A healthy person at the low end of the scale will be an even bigger drain on the economy if they work from 16-65, don't smoke, don't get drunk all the time, and live to 85.

Cough.
 
baldmosher said:
mancitygaz said:
Biased and stereotypical! It's common sense ffs.
No it isn't. "Common sense" implies that the subject is so easy to understand that you would have to be a complete moron or a child not to understand it.

The economical system is so unbelievably complex that even I, a master of fag packet economics, don't have a fucking clue how to fix the problem. I can tell you what won't help though, and that's getting rid of all the jobs Labour created in the public sector and pretending that some magical pixies will reinvigourate the jobs market.

Fag packet economics explains a lot of things quite nicely.

mrcunny said:
denislawsbackheel said:
How do we make "stuff" that can compete with people who make the same "stuff" in other parts of the world for a tenth of what we have to pay as a living wage?
germany,sweden,france and others do...
Britain (and Germany) still makes a metric fuckton of money by manufacturing things that other countries cannot yet manufacture, either because it is not economical for them to do so, or because we manufacture it so well that they cannot compete.

Case in point 1, Rover. Anyone can make badly made unreliable cars, so now we don't make them any more.

Case in point 2, BAE. We make the best stuff for ethnic cleansing / oppressive regimes. Bar none. Well except Lockheed Martin maybe, they make pretty good missiles.

Case in point 3, although not British, Volvo. If your cars don't break then you can't make money on repairs. So Ford bought Volvo, and started putting some shit Ford parts in them, so that they can make some money on repairs again.

I need a fag.

denislawsbackheel said:
Could you please explain the point of having any gold reserves? It seems to me the idea of national gold reserves is a MIckey Mouse concept.
It is a Micky Mouse concept, but unfortunately it's the basis for the current global economic model. If you want to lend someone 8x what you have in your pocket, if you have a big pile of gold in your pocket that you've stolen from Wales/Africa/the Nazis then you can lend a lot more, and interest pays very well indeed. If you don't have any gold then you are in a weaker financial position. Also, since it's so rare, and so many people want it, the price of gold is always going up, so it's a good investment, and since it's so bloody heavy compared to many other metals, it's also quite easy to store.

I need a fag.

johnny on the spot said:
ob said:
My sister is on benefits and helped out part time in British Heart Foundation shop, she was told to stop or they would stop her some of her benefit as she wasn't available for work during these hours,
This is all too common and an absolute fucking scandal.
Last year half the guys I volunteer with were told by the Dole that they'd have their money withdrawn if they continued volunteering with our community projects. Who sent them to volunteer in the first place? Yep, you guessed it...
Why would you admit to the dole office that you are volunteering?!?! It's none of their business what you do with your free time. (Although personally if I wanted a paid job, I'd spend all my time looking for paid jobs, not volunteering for free.)

Lucky13 said:
The fact is that you can be born into a jobless household , leave school receive benefits , impregnate someone , be given a house , rent paid for and more benefits given as you breed more , all until the day you die and have never contributed anything towards the society that pays for you to do this because " it's my rights ".
They also tend to die before the age of 50.

A healthy person at the low end of the scale will be an even bigger drain on the economy if they work from 16-65, don't smoke, don't get drunk all the time, and live to 85.

Cough.



good post - go and have a fag
 
Had one short stint on the rock n roll since i left school.Paid my own way since i was 18, and proud of it.Some people deserve to have benefits,others don't,and before I'm taken to task on that last statement,don't tell me you don't know,or have never known someone,perfectly able for employment,but prefer to live off the state.
 
I, and I bet you do too, know more tax evaders than benefit scroungers.

-- Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:21 pm --

baldmosher said:
mancitygaz said:
Biased and stereotypical! It's common sense ffs.
No it isn't. "Common sense" implies that the subject is so easy to understand that you would have to be a complete moron or a child not to understand it.

The economical system is so unbelievably complex that even I, a master of fag packet economics, don't have a fucking clue how to fix the problem. I can tell you what won't help though, and that's getting rid of all the jobs Labour created in the public sector and pretending that some magical pixies will reinvigourate the jobs market.

Fag packet economics explains a lot of things quite nicely.

mrcunny said:
denislawsbackheel said:
How do we make "stuff" that can compete with people who make the same "stuff" in other parts of the world for a tenth of what we have to pay as a living wage?
germany,sweden,france and others do...
Britain (and Germany) still makes a metric fuckton of money by manufacturing things that other countries cannot yet manufacture, either because it is not economical for them to do so, or because we manufacture it so well that they cannot compete.

Case in point 1, Rover. Anyone can make badly made unreliable cars, so now we don't make them any more.

Case in point 2, BAE. We make the best stuff for ethnic cleansing / oppressive regimes. Bar none. Well except Lockheed Martin maybe, they make pretty good missiles.

Case in point 3, although not British, Volvo. If your cars don't break then you can't make money on repairs. So Ford bought Volvo, and started putting some shit Ford parts in them, so that they can make some money on repairs again.

I need a fag.

denislawsbackheel said:
Could you please explain the point of having any gold reserves? It seems to me the idea of national gold reserves is a MIckey Mouse concept.
It is a Micky Mouse concept, but unfortunately it's the basis for the current global economic model. <a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3790090544</a>

If you want to lend someone 8x what you have in your pocket, if you have a big pile of gold in your pocket that you've stolen from Wales/Africa/the Nazis then you can lend a lot more, and interest pays very well indeed. If you don't have any gold then you are in a weaker financial position. Also, since it's so rare, and so many people want it, the price of gold is always going up, so it's a good investment, and since it's so bloody heavy compared to many other metals, it's also quite easy to store.

I need a fag.

johnny on the spot said:
ob said:
My sister is on benefits and helped out part time in British Heart Foundation shop, she was told to stop or they would stop her some of her benefit as she wasn't available for work during these hours,
This is all too common and an absolute fucking scandal.
Last year half the guys I volunteer with were told by the Dole that they'd have their money withdrawn if they continued volunteering with our community projects. Who sent them to volunteer in the first place? Yep, you guessed it...
Why would you admit to the dole office that you are volunteering?!?! It's none of their business what you do with your free time. (Although personally if I wanted a paid job, I'd spend all my time looking for paid jobs, not volunteering for free.)

Lucky13 said:
The fact is that you can be born into a jobless household , leave school receive benefits , impregnate someone , be given a house , rent paid for and more benefits given as you breed more , all until the day you die and have never contributed anything towards the society that pays for you to do this because " it's my rights ".
They also tend to die before the age of 50.

A healthy person at the low end of the scale will be an even bigger drain on the economy if they work from 16-65, don't smoke, don't get drunk all the time, and live to 85.

Cough.


Your gold explanation is utter bollocks. It applies to little people only, buying krugerrands. Any country with gold in its vaults could never use it to alleviate problems it had because as soon as it released a sizeable amount the price would plummet. The gold standard stopped being a valid strategy nearly 100 years ago.

BAE make utter shit, about the only export that is totally UK is the Hawk and a few crappy vehicles.
 

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