Benifit System in Britian

[cyberblue]

no goverment has the bottle to sort out the many problems .the benifit system should be in place to help people in genuine need not to fund a lifesyle or a house in Islington

 

[Halfpenny]

I watched it. It was depressing. There was a bunch of teenagers on this job finding scheme to get them off benefits, and the presenter asked them how many of their parents were currently working. Only one of the 15 teens raised their hand. There's just so much apathy and lack of ambition out there. Comments like, "Why should I work for £6.50 an hour, I'm better off sitting at home!" Erm.....get a better job then, you fat lazy prick.

It's so easy with a little bit of will power. You start off on the bottom rung and work your way up. Then take it as far as you want.

i.e. Join Tesco as an 18k pa handyman, go on one of their college schemes where you can become qualified in a trade while also earning a wage. Become a qualified electrician>>>>Wages go up to 26k pa. After a few years of on the job experience become self employed >>>> earn 50k pa. A few years later go to the bank and take a loan out to start your own business, employ a gang of electricians >>>> Earn 200k pa.

This pretty much applies to any job in the world. If you don't get off your arse, you'll never know.

Agreed. It's all about desire and ambition. if you want it enough then you can make it happen. If you expect other people to jusy deliver it to you then of course you will always be disappointed and end up blaming 'them'.

While I agree with your sentiments I feel this trivialises the whole thing. Yes, people should be encouraged to get off their arses. But to say ambition is the only limiting factor is utterly wrong. There is a real postcode lottery in terms of education standards, which can hinder some people for life. The obvious solution is to provide retraining facilities to allow people to pursue different careers but these are lacking and it doesn't seem like they'll pop up any time soon.

The particularly trivialised argument is how easy it is to move up the ladder, and even finding that first job. Hardly anyone is hiring at the moment, which is why so many people are on the dole. Do you think they all want to be? The fact is that this government has cut so many public sector jobs in the hope that the private sector will pick up the pieces. Have they done this? Of course they haven't. Since the government naturally cut all of these jobs in the name of deficit reduction, how much effect will this have on the deficit? Next to none; there are hardly any jobs for these people to go to (to add to this point, for every £4 the government has cut we've cut approximately 30p from the deficit). And with the economy flatlining as it is it doesn't look like the growth we need to create the jobs to take these people off the dole is forthcoming. It's entirely possible we will go into a double dip recession.

Back on the subject of moving up the ladder and creating your own business, this will obviously require backing from the banks. Who, naturally, aren't allowing people to borrow money to do so. They are propped up by the government through the hard times (obviously the right move) but don't do anything to help get the economy back on track.

no goverment has the bottle to sort out the many problems .the benifit system should be in place to help people in genuine need not to fund a lifesyle or a house in Islington

Let's be honest, this is the exception not the rule.

 

[kennycar]

The benefits system in principle is a good idea and there to help people who through no fault of there own lose there job or come into difficulty..and there lies the problem..lazy ass bast@rds who actually dont want to work because they get looked after by the government etc etc..thats what pisses people off the most.

My solution..pay people in vouchers that can only be redeemed on food and clothing..not cigs and booze.Have everyone on benefits of a working age open a bank account pay directly into there the housing and other benefits.All childcare and other essentials paid in vouchers to be redeemed against goods excluding alcohol and cigs.If these people want these things then get off your f'cking lazy arses and get a job and pay for them yourselves!!

It's a catch 22 because the government makes a fortune on taxing cigs and alcohol, but yeah...giving people cash money for nowt is wrong imo. Vouchers for food and bills is all they should get.

In eastern europe they don't have a welfare system in many countries. If you don't work, you don't eat. If that suddenly happened overhere, it would be startling the amount of people who suddenly got off their arses. The people on that programme last night were not complaining about the lack of work, it was their expectations of pay that were the problem. Most said that they were financially better off staying at home and taking the handouts. This is what's wrong with the system, people who are fit to work should not be allowed to choose.

Worst idea ever, within a week you'd be up to your ears in muggers and dead babies.

 

[metalblue]

Your gold explanation is utter bollocks. It applies to little people only, buying krugerrands. Any country with gold in its vaults could never use it to alleviate problems it had because as soon as it released a sizeable amount the price would plummet.

Whilst it was wrong to suggest the price of gold always goes up it is equally wrong to assume the price would plummet given the spot gold market is highly liquid and the price impact ought to be fairly limiting assuming the seller wasn't a complete moron.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Your gold explanation is utter bollocks. It applies to little people only, buying krugerrands. Any country with gold in its vaults could never use it to alleviate problems it had because as soon as it released a sizeable amount the price would plummet.

Whilst it was wrong to suggest the price of gold always goes up it is equally wrong to assume the price would plummet given the spot gold market is highly liquid and the price impact ought to be fairly limiting assuming the seller wasn't a complete moron.

Any country needing to sell gold because of a crisis would be selling tons not ounces.

 

[metalblue]

Your gold explanation is utter bollocks. It applies to little people only, buying krugerrands. Any country with gold in its vaults could never use it to alleviate problems it had because as soon as it released a sizeable amount the price would plummet.

Whilst it was wrong to suggest the price of gold always goes up it is equally wrong to assume the price would plummet given the spot gold market is highly liquid and the price impact ought to be fairly limiting assuming the seller wasn't a complete moron.

 Any country needing to sell gold because of a crisis would be selling tons not ounces.

Absolutely it will be a lot of gold, but every single day ~800 metric tonnes of physical gold changes hands therefore selling it in daily clips of ~5 mt for a period of time shouldn't have a significant impact on the price and you achieve an average price rather than a single price that is prone to spikes/troughs.

 

[stonerblue]

Biased and stereotypical! It's common sense ffs.

No it isn't. "Common sense" implies that the subject is so easy to understand that you would have to be a complete moron or a child not to understand it.

The economical system is so unbelievably complex that even I, a master of fag packet economics, don't have a fucking clue how to fix the problem. I can tell you what won't help though, and that's getting rid of all the jobs Labour created in the public sector and pretending that some magical pixies will reinvigourate the jobs market.

Fag packet economics explains a lot of things quite nicely.

How do we make "stuff" that can compete with people who make the same "stuff" in other parts of the world for a tenth of what we have to pay as a living wage?

germany,sweden,france and others do...

Britain (and Germany) still makes a metric fuckton of money by manufacturing things that other countries cannot yet manufacture, either because it is not economical for them to do so, or because we manufacture it so well that they cannot compete.

Case in point 1, Rover. Anyone can make badly made unreliable cars, so now we don't make them any more.

Case in point 2, BAE. We make the best stuff for ethnic cleansing / oppressive regimes. Bar none. Well except Lockheed Martin maybe, they make pretty good missiles.

Case in point 3, although not British, Volvo. If your cars don't break then you can't make money on repairs. So Ford bought Volvo, and started putting some shit Ford parts in them, so that they can make some money on repairs again.

I need a fag.

Could you please explain the point of having any gold reserves? It seems to me the idea of national gold reserves is a MIckey Mouse concept.

It is a Micky Mouse concept, but unfortunately it's the basis for the current global economic model. <a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3790090544</a>

If you want to lend someone 8x what you have in your pocket, if you have a big pile of gold in your pocket that you've stolen from Wales/Africa/the Nazis then you can lend a lot more, and interest pays very well indeed. If you don't have any gold then you are in a weaker financial position. Also, since it's so rare, and so many people want it, the price of gold is always going up, so it's a good investment, and since it's so bloody heavy compared to many other metals, it's also quite easy to store.

I need a fag.

My sister is on benefits and helped out part time in British Heart Foundation shop, she was told to stop or they would stop her some of her benefit as she wasn't available for work during these hours,

This is all too common and an absolute fucking scandal.
Last year half the guys I volunteer with were told by the Dole that they'd have their money withdrawn if they continued volunteering with our community projects. Who sent them to volunteer in the first place? Yep, you guessed it...

Why would you admit to the dole office that you are volunteering?!?! It's none of their business what you do with your free time. (Although personally if I wanted a paid job, I'd spend all my time looking for paid jobs, not volunteering for free.)

The fact is that you can be born into a jobless household , leave school receive benefits , impregnate someone , be given a house , rent paid for and more benefits given as you breed more , all until the day you die and have never contributed anything towards the society that pays for you to do this because " it's my rights ".

They also tend to die before the age of 50.

A healthy person at the low end of the scale will be an even bigger drain on the economy if they work from 16-65, don't smoke, don't get drunk all the time, and live to 85.

Cough.

Great post. got a light?

 

[Bill]

Imo nothing in life is for free,even if some cant find work they should somehow contribute to the community instead of watching jeremy kyle and sitting on their pot smoking ass....

totally agreed. if a guy gets 50 quid dole and the minimum wage is 5 quid an hour he should do 10 hours work in the commumity.

no work no dole.

if you dont pay in you dont take out.

 

[Halfpenny]

Imo nothing in life is for free,even if some cant find work they should somehow contribute to the community instead of watching jeremy kyle and sitting on their pot smoking ass....

totally agreed. if a guy gets 50 quid dole and the minimum wage is 5 quid an hour he should do 10 hours work in the commumity.

no work no dole.

if you dont pay in you dont take out.

The problem is, people have been taking on voluntary work while on benefits only to find that they lose their entitlement because of it. Which to be honest is disgusting.

 

[BimboBob]

Imo nothing in life is for free,even if some cant find work they should somehow contribute to the community instead of watching jeremy kyle and sitting on their pot smoking ass....

totally agreed. if a guy gets 50 quid dole and the minimum wage is 5 quid an hour he should do 10 hours work in the commumity.

no work no dole.

if you dont pay in you dont take out.

As someone once sang...money for nothing. That's the trouble with the welfare state. It was designed to help the poor and needy in times of trouble and NOT designed to allow wasters to spend all their lives doing fuck all. Over the years successive governments have allowed this to happen generation after generation which has left us in the mess we are now in.
Something needs to be done.
Fair do's to someone who loses their job and in between finding another one gets help from the system but anyone who is quite content to sit around on their arses and take take take when they could be working for a living is scum in my book.
I work in the Warehouse industry. We pay higher than the minimum wage and offer benefits to our staff. Yet we still interview people for jobs who turn down 300 quid a week take home pay as it's not enough. They use excuses such as "it's too far to travel" or "i don't like doing shifts". Piss poor excuses that they shouldn't be allowed to get away with.
This is not all claimants obviously. Some people do need help with living costs. As a society we need to be helping these people. As a society we should not be helping the scroungers.