Benifit System in Britian

[burning blue soul]

There are so many examples of the benefits system being unfair and actually producing a welfare underclass (who ironically earn more than the minimum wage for doing fuck all) I can't help think that it is actually designed this way. Was the governments long-term solution to social exclusion to carry these people as a necessary evil.

The thatcher government consciously eliminated the manufacturing industry in this country to depend on service industries for it's national income. That is why the banks are now so important in this cOuntry. Only that has turned out to be the biggest fuck up in polital history.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The benefits system in principle is a good idea and there to help people who through no fault of there own lose there job or come into difficulty..and there lies the problem..lazy ass bast@rds who actually dont want to work because they get looked after by the government etc etc..thats what pisses people off the most.

My solution..pay people in vouchers that can only be redeemed on food and clothing..not cigs and booze.Have everyone on benefits of a working age open a bank account pay directly into there the housing and other benefits.All childcare and other essentials paid in vouchers to be redeemed against goods excluding alcohol and cigs.If these people want these things then get off your f'cking lazy arses and get a job and pay for them yourselves!!

It's a catch 22 because the government makes a fortune on taxing cigs and alcohol, but yeah...giving people cash money for nowt is wrong imo. Vouchers for food and bills is all they should get.

In eastern europe they don't have a welfare system in many countries. If you don't work, you don't eat. If that suddenly happened overhere, it would be startling the amount of people who suddenly got off their arses. The people on that programme last night were not complaining about the lack of work, it was their expectations of pay that were the problem. Most said that they were financially better off staying at home and taking the handouts. This is what's wrong with the system, people who are fit to work should not be allowed to choose.

Someone earlier hit the nail on the head.There are jobs out there and those who dont need a high paid job to pay the bills and keep the mortgage going should start at the bottom and work your way up.The apprenticeship sheme is a cracking idea for those willing to push a younger person.Id even go as far as taking those at school who clearly arn`t gonna make college or uni to start a trade early...get them out of school young and get them doing apprenticeships. I would replace all these OTT subjects excluding maths and english and replace them with basic plumbing/electric/engineering and building etc etc.Employ a load of ex/retired workmen to teach them these skills alongside basic maths and english then when there ready for work they have a trade or the beginnings of one.Its about time this country dragged itself out of the service industry its become back to the industrial power house we once were. This way you take a load of kids into work and take older long term unemployed skilled people off benefits and into work. The amount of money saved would pay for a new dept to administer a voucher scheme(coupled with an id card scheme for the unemployed to prevent fraud).It would also be a massive vote winner for any party and give this country some self respect back!

How do we make "stuff" that can compete with people who make the same "stuff" in other parts of the world for a tenth of what we have to pay as a living wage?

 

[Fame Monster]

The benefits system in principle is a good idea and there to help people who through no fault of there own lose there job or come into difficulty..and there lies the problem..lazy ass bast@rds who actually dont want to work because they get looked after by the government etc etc..thats what pisses people off the most.

My solution..pay people in vouchers that can only be redeemed on food and clothing..not cigs and booze.Have everyone on benefits of a working age open a bank account pay directly into there the housing and other benefits.All childcare and other essentials paid in vouchers to be redeemed against goods excluding alcohol and cigs.If these people want these things then get off your f'cking lazy arses and get a job and pay for them yourselves!!

It's a catch 22 because the government makes a fortune on taxing cigs and alcohol, but yeah...giving people cash money for nowt is wrong imo. Vouchers for food and bills is all they should get.

In eastern europe they don't have a welfare system in many countries. If you don't work, you don't eat. If that suddenly happened overhere, it would be startling the amount of people who suddenly got off their arses. The people on that programme last night were not complaining about the lack of work, it was their expectations of pay that were the problem. Most said that they were financially better off staying at home and taking the handouts. This is what's wrong with the system, people who are fit to work should not be allowed to choose.

Someone earlier hit the nail on the head.There are jobs out there and those who dont need a high paid job to pay the bills and keep the mortgage going should start at the bottom and work your way up.The apprenticeship sheme is a cracking idea for those willing to push a younger person.Id even go as far as taking those at school who clearly arn`t gonna make college or uni to start a trade early...get them out of school young and get them doing apprenticeships. I would replace all these OTT subjects excluding maths and english and replace them with basic plumbing/electric/engineering and building etc etc.Employ a load of ex/retired workmen to teach them these skills alongside basic maths and english then when there ready for work they have a trade or the beginnings of one.Its about time this country dragged itself out of the service industry its become back to the industrial power house we once were. This way you take a load of kids into work and take older long term unemployed skilled people off benefits and into work. The amount of money saved would pay for a new dept to administer a voucher scheme(coupled with an id card scheme for the unemployed to prevent fraud).It would also be a massive vote winner for any party and give this country some self respect back!

Self respect?

How are people going to have self-respect when they're taught at school that their only goal in life should be to work for someone else?

Right-wing bollocks as is most of the stuff in this thread.

 

[Skashion]

now have a stable job in office

The office of erroneous fact gathering? ;-)

 

[denislawsbackheel]

sweeping up bull shit

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

Self respect?

How are people going to have self-respect when they're taught at school that their only goal in life should be to work for someone else?

Right-wing bollocks as is most of the stuff in this thread.[/quote]




the problem is Nashark, that this ignores the reality that most folk will end up working for someone else and to suggest otherwise just gives hopeless dreams

 

[brand blue heavies]

It's a catch 22 because the government makes a fortune on taxing cigs and alcohol, but yeah...giving people cash money for nowt is wrong imo. Vouchers for food and bills is all they should get.

In eastern europe they don't have a welfare system in many countries. If you don't work, you don't eat. If that suddenly happened overhere, it would be startling the amount of people who suddenly got off their arses. The people on that programme last night were not complaining about the lack of work, it was their expectations of pay that were the problem. Most said that they were financially better off staying at home and taking the handouts. This is what's wrong with the system, people who are fit to work should not be allowed to choose.

Someone earlier hit the nail on the head.There are jobs out there and those who dont need a high paid job to pay the bills and keep the mortgage going should start at the bottom and work your way up.The apprenticeship sheme is a cracking idea for those willing to push a younger person.Id even go as far as taking those at school who clearly arn`t gonna make college or uni to start a trade early...get them out of school young and get them doing apprenticeships. I would replace all these OTT subjects excluding maths and english and replace them with basic plumbing/electric/engineering and building etc etc.Employ a load of ex/retired workmen to teach them these skills alongside basic maths and english then when there ready for work they have a trade or the beginnings of one.Its about time this country dragged itself out of the service industry its become back to the industrial power house we once were. This way you take a load of kids into work and take older long term unemployed skilled people off benefits and into work. The amount of money saved would pay for a new dept to administer a voucher scheme(coupled with an id card scheme for the unemployed to prevent fraud).It would also be a massive vote winner for any party and give this country some self respect back!

Self respect?

How are people going to have self-respect when they're taught at school that their only goal in life should be to work for someone else?

Right-wing bollocks as is most of the stuff in this thread.

Seriously look at what you wrote and think about how it comes across.You are one of the most respected posters on here and if you actually read what i was trying to say its not about working for someone to get respect.Its about learning a trade,giving yourself or someone who isn`t clever enough to go to Uni or college a chance.Who says they are going to be working for someone??Some might but some might also start there own businesses employing people and paying taxes.
Im neither right or Left i`m for fairness,respect and the right to voice my opinion because i earn the right to.Yes it all sounds right wing tory propaganda but its common sense talking.
If you seriously think its ok to sit on your arse,doing sweet fa and get paid for it without putting anything back into this country,letting hard working people pay for you to sit on your arse getting high,smoking cigs and getting pi$$ed then you are whats wrong with this country.

 

[Ardwick AFC]

Never not worked all my life, worked in fish n chip shop, co-op, worked as a post room boy now have a stable job in office ... yet, ive got absolutely no chance of getting a mortgage with most deposits required are over 20k around where i live.

my girlfreind, had a baby - and can apply for a house...

my best hope of moving out is either rent or move in a council place

how can that be fair

I rented whilst saving up for a mortgage. Most people do.

Does the fella that got her up the duff pay owt towards his baby?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There are so many examples of the benefits system being unfair and actually producing a welfare underclass (who ironically earn more than the minimum wage for doing fuck all) I can't help think that it is actually designed this way. Was the governments long-term solution to social exclusion to carry these people as a necessary evil.

The thatcher government consciously eliminated the manufacturing industry in this country to depend on service industries for it's national income. That is why the banks are now so important in this cOuntry. Only that has turned out to be the biggest fuck up in polital history.

This is all pretty much spot on BBS.

The main function of the welfare state is to prevent social unrest among the underclass, many of whom have no discernible work ethic.

In that sense, ironically, the section of society who have the most reason to resent the welfare state are the skilled and in work working classes who quite understandably must think 'what's the fucking point?' when they see people earning similar amounts to them for doing absolutely fuck all.

And, yes, this is one of Margaret Thatcher's most shameful and enduring legacies.

 

[baldmosher]

Never not worked all my life, worked in fish n chip shop, co-op, worked as a post room boy now have a stable job in office ... yet, ive got absolutely no chance of getting a mortgage with most deposits required are over 20k around where i live.

my girlfreind, had a baby - and can apply for a house...

my best hope of moving out is either rent or move in a council place

how can that be fair

Forget renting privately on your own, it's a complete ripoff. (House share with mates? Could try applying for a room in a house i.e. as a lodger?)

Forget buying a house on your own, nobody on less than £40k household can afford anything in a remotely nice area (there's always Moss Side, it's all right, you'll still need to save up £10k deposit though).

What's wrong with social housing? I live in a council flat, it's cheap, 1 bed in Salford high rise, £75/wk. You still have to actually go and apply for them though. I could move to a house for £45/wk but we don't have any kids so unlikely to happen. And we're on £50k household so very little chance of moving anywhere. They won't even move us into a 2-bed flat, because we're a couple. If we got divorced but still lived together, they'd move us into a 2-bed. Ridiculous, but that's the system, you either sit there and moan or you play it by the book.

Anyone can apply for a council flat/house, you do have to actually go and apply for them though. Taking a letter from parents saying they can't afford to feed you and they're kicking you out means you get shoved up the preference list. Being unemployed / low earning = even higher. Have a kid? Better yet, but you won't get a flat if she lives with you. You still have to actually go and apply for them though.

I'm not saying you'll definitely get one, but you have to learn how to play the system.

I've got a friend who works for 6 months then goes on JSA and gets his rent paid for 6 months and all his PAYE tax back.... I wouldn't like his life but he seems to be happy with his lot