Bernardo Silva tweet controversy

[Blue Hefner]

Dont know if its already been said, probably has, but was our TinTin banner for KdB racist aswell? If not, whats the difference?

One is black and the other is white. Black people have had 100s of years of dealing with and over coming negative stereotypes and those to be reinforced by a high profile football player is not ideal

 

[mosssideblue]

A few years back I was being served coffee in a RAF Wardroom after a golfing event dinner. The waitress serving came beside me with two pots, one coffee, the other milk. She said would you like it with or without. Without hesitation I said, white please. Her reply was I am sorry, I am not allowed to say Black or White and have been instructed to say with or without. I find that so sad at the way this country has become.

If the same circumstance arose again today, I would say exactly the same. If that offends some, I would love to know why but I wont change my stance on such trivia

 

[mosssideblue]

You are right. White people have the right to be offended if Raheem tweets De bruyne and Zinchenko looks the same. However, it seems that people here are getting offended at people who have been offended by the Silva's tweet.
Also, black people have been on the wrong end of racism for a long time and hence any news concerning them get a lot more publicity, rightly or wrongly.
Same things are being told when Black Lives Matters groups protest and then the All Lives Matters brigade come out saying whites should be treated the same way. The problem is the BLM group started for a reason and that's because of a lot of police shootings in America involves Black People. No one has ever said white people are not shot but you can clearly see there is a racial bias and black people have been the victims of it for quite a long time and still are.

Really, has the world really come to this

 

[mosssideblue]

*Literally in response to someone saying that the world was better in the 1960s.

I assume you mean my post. If so, you are putting quite some spin on that to try and strengthen your claim

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I assume you mean my post. If so, you are putting quite some spin on that to try and strengthen your claim

You said people in the 60s and 70s could banter without upsetting people, I claimed that that was an era of Jim Crow and apartheid?

I also said that the mascot we are talking about clearly has its roots in minstrel and colonial representations of Africa.

 

[mosssideblue]

You said people in the 60s and 70s could banter without upsetting people, I claimed that that was an era of Jim Crow and apartheid?

I also said that the mascot we are talking about clearly has its roots in minstrel and colonial representations of Africa.

You claimed I said the world was a better place, when I said safer.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I'm afraid your wrong (he didn't use an old racial steriotype which will become apparent if you read the link in full)) and your argument is not based on fact but a perception which perfectly illustrates the point I was making with regard to the analogy I used with the "thought police". I strongly recommend you read the following (it's a long read but you obviously feel strongly about this so may wish to learn more of what Bernardo may have been thinking when he wrote his tweet.

"The Evolution of Conguitos: Changing the Face of Race in Spanish Advertising" a paper by Diane Q Palardy published in 2014 in the Journal: TRANSMODERNITY: Journal of Peripheral Cultural Production of the Luso-Hispanic World https://escholarship.org/content/qt...5oy&nosplash=7f6b9469bba6f7b20680cef253712e79

I think that when we start thought-policing people and idea-policing people, then that's crossing a line. And I think, you know, everybody's so afraid of this imaginary line of thought police that they forget their own personal safety.

Ashton Kutcher

For what it's worth, that's a decent article that does a really good job of explaining that history while illustrating how people have different responses to this. This thread would be a lot better if everyone read it carefully. I'd point to the Stuart Hall quote (no not that Stuart Hall) on page 47 to really help explain the different responses, but he is an author who really opened my eyes to a lot of this stuff.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

You claimed I said the world was a better place, when I said safer.

Fine, I'll accept that. I guess my response was safer for who? But you'll accept the reason I brought up apartheid is because we were talking about the past?

 

[mosssideblue]

For me, there is a distinct difference between offence and racism yet all too often those affected by the former, claim the latter as a stick to present their offence

 

[roy.or.r]

Really, has the world really come to this

Well you can't judge who gets offended at what. I am not having a dig, just saying.