Blaming the players

[CrawleyBlue]

Blaming the players??? - not quite ALL the players but yes some.

You just have to watch the performances to see the lack of desire out there. In some cases, the mistakes have been embarrasing and HAVE cost us matches we should have won. All Mark Hughes fault?? I think not!

To think a Manager can influence every aspect of his playing team is ridiculous. As riduclous as blaming ALL the players.

I give my full support to Hughes because I think he can/will do the best for City. Getting rid of him will mean that someone else comes in and tries what Hughes is currently doing but months behind him. If Hughes' decisions after the Jan window show no progress, then maybe I'll start to think otherwise.

Until then, MH you have my support - Good luck and COME ON CITY!

 

[maineroad68]

Blaming the players??? - not quite ALL the players but yes some.

You just have to watch the performances to see the lack of desire out there. In some cases, the mistakes have been embarrasing and HAVE cost us matches we should have won. All Mark Hughes fault?? I think not!

To think a Manager can influence every aspect of his playing team is ridiculous. As riduclous as blaming ALL the players.

I give my full support to Hughes because I think he can/will do the best for City. Getting rid of him will mean that someone else comes in and tries what Hughes is currently doing but months behind him. If Hughes' decisions after the Jan window show no progress, then maybe I'll start to think otherwise.

Until then, MH you have my support - Good luck and COME ON CITY!

you're deluded if you give your support to a manager who manages a team to cup losses v brighton & forest and league losses to 3 (correct me if i'm wrong) teams who have been bottom of the table.

even if we hadn't been taken over and didn't have all this money, the results of the teams Hughes has managed thus far at City have been, in the main, shocking and unacceptable.
And as his job is to manage, I'd say he's pretty shit at his job and should therefore get the boot before he sinks this club into even more despair and squanders the many millions we have in our coffers.

it's a tricky time to get rid of a manager coz presumably any deals in the pipeline have been initiated on the strength of Hughes' hollow promises about how he's taking us onto bigger things...(which i sproving to be more laughable with each and every game). But after yesterday's shocking result, I doubt any top player would want to come to City and I wouldn't blame them.

who would want to be managed by someone so inept that he couldn;t fire his team up to beat Forest at home?

the players perhaps have a different agenda and maybe the unrest is due to them being unsettled, wondering if they'll be discarded for new signings- but that's a piss poor excuse if that's true. if it is the case then a) they should be playing out of their skins to prove their worth (like Stevie Ireland has done) and b) the manager should possess the man management skills to ease the player's fears and get them playing as a team.

he's not doing that therefore he's not good enough to manage this club. simple as.

how low do we have to sink before the powers that be realise this?

i support Manchester City, always have done and always will do.
please don't confuse my lack of support for a woefully inept manager with my lack of support for City.
i just want what's best for City and it's fans. and Mark Hughes is certainly not that.

 

[PaleBlue]

I think its clear that once the euphoria of getting Sven in, having some fresh blood, and the fact that we happened to win many of our home games 1-0 against weaker premiership sides had died down that the team found it's natural level. The way I see it if Sven was unable to make that team perform like a top 7 team then Mark Hughes is unlikely to have any magic formula.

Bear in mind that we were skirting with relegation the previous season under Pearce and it's clear that of the signings Sven made, in the end only:

Elano, Petrov, Corluka, possibly Garrido added any real quality With Petrov out, Corluka gone - that's only 2 players on top of Pearce's squad.

Bojinov who neither manager has been able to pick.

Fernandes, Caceido, Benjani, Bianchi, Geovanni (Because he never picked him) have all failed to impress

Therefore when we are without our better players like SWP, Ireland, Robinho, Petrov, Johnson as we were yesterday the squad is just not good enough.

We don't have a top rate striker to go alongside Robinho despite numerous attempts to buy one.

If you honestly believe that by signing 4 players (Not including Jo as Hughes didn't sign him) 1 - Zabelata, who replaced Corluka going out - therfore 3 net new additions, plus the 2 from Sven's reign is enough to take us close to a top six side then it is my belief you are kidding yourself.

When we have a full strength side we can play some good stuff and entertain. Some of the football I have seen this season is infinitely better than what I saw at home last season.

All you are doing I'm afraid is supplying the ammunition that Man U fans want that we are yet again going to allow ourselves to implode just when the opportunity to progress presents itself - by not backing our manager. If the players knew that we the fans were right behind Hughes, the board were right behind Hughes then those players who are quite clearly keen to create problems to protect their own backsides would realise that resistance is futile and they need to toe the line.

Unfortunately it's the weak and those who lack bottle who take the easy option to sack the manager as a solution. If the players know this is the recourse you will take and that will save their own skin then guess what ?

Sadly what you are doing is undermining the fabric of the club and making Hughes job - which is hard as it is - even harder.

The united fans are very scared of the potential we have. The fact that all I have heard them chant about is City tells me that they are sh*tting themsleves about what this money could do for our great club. We should be focusing our attentions on winding them b*stards up not on creating instability.

Quality post. As for Richards being the best young defender as touted by JMA then that's just rubbish - he played well last year when he had the pace to get him out of problems his positioning and reading of the game created, for me he's the weakest link in the team right now. Stevie Ireland looked at what was needed over the summer to get himself better, Micah has done whatever suits Micah best and sod the consequences.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Of course it's right to blame the players. The tail does not wag the dog. It only takes 3 or 4 players to conspire to get rid of a manager these days. It makes me sick.

 

[sweep]

Of course it's right to blame the players. The tail does not wag the dog. It only takes 3 or 4 players to conspire to get rid of a manager these days. It makes me sick.

Does it happen often with succesful managers?

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Of course it's right to blame the players. The tail does not wag the dog. It only takes 3 or 4 players to conspire to get rid of a manager these days. It makes me sick.

Does it happen often with succesful managers?

Ramos at Spurs most recently. It never used to happen. Wealthy players feel more powerful these days.

 

[bluemanc]

Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)

This is just ANOTHER Hughes out thread,it's big & it's as usual hypocritical.

 

[sweep]

Does it happen often with succesful managers?

Ramos at Spurs most recently. It never used to happen. Wealthy players feel more powerful these days.

TBF Ramos was hardly getting the best from their squad was he. I don't see player power ousting Ferguson or Wenger, they command the respect of their players.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Numerous threads on here yet again blaming the players. Yet the hypocrasy stinks. Time and again the same characters are acusing some of the 'hughes out' lot of banging the same drum regardless of what occurs. This is of course true in some cases and some were against him before he got here. That is indefensible.

However, time and again, after each woeful and unacceptable performance the same 'Hughes through thick and thin' brigade seek to completely absolve the management from any responsibility and put all the blame on the players.

Consider this though. We have all seen the majority of these players perform at a very high level either whilst or City or before they joined. Yet now it is not one or two players that are consistently putting in below par performances, it is the vast majority of the squad.

These under performing players. Just hold on for a minute and consider who they are.

Elano - Brazil international
Robinho (according to some) - one of the best players in the world
Richards - the youngest ever defender to play for England and, until this season, recognised by all as probably the best defender of his age in Europe.
Dunne - Captain of the Republic of Ireland and a top Premier League defender for the past 5 season.
SWP - brilliant winger whose productivity has decreased over the past few weeks.
Joe Hart - Easily the best young keeper in the country, possibly Europe.


Add in the likes of Ireland, Sturridge and Kompany who have lept a consistent performance and that's some basis for a squad.

How can it be that all these players have all of a suddenly either hit an unimaginable patch of form or have suddenly turned into these disgusting characters who the Hughes brigade would have you believe couldn't give a shit about this club, the fans or anyone else?

It doesn't add up. Things don't work like that.

Throughout history the football manager has been held accountable for results. When a sustained level of drastic underperformance has been achieved then a manager inevitably gets held responsible and held to account.

When results have been as bad as they have been and the majority of the squad, not one or two or a small section, have been so below par then a manager is held responsible for it. In any sector at a high level, in any job, but especially football management, the buck passing excuse of "its nothing to do with me, its the people below me just does not wash over anything other than a short honeymoon period. Especially when the people below you are performing at a level so far below their collective ability.

Managers are there to maximise performance from their resources. If they get much more from than the sum of the parts then they are exceptional managers. If they get slightly more then they are doing a decent job. If they consistently get far less than the sum of the parts then their position becomes untenable and the buck passing cry of 'it's everyone elses fault' becomes laughable.

These players have obviously not taken the collective decision to flush their careers and reputations down the toilet yet this is what they are virtually doing at present.

Whilst responsibility lies with the players to some extent for everything that happens on the field, the buck stops with the management. It always has and always will. If you have such highly rated resources and get such terrible results then in any other industry, where you don't have 'supporters' willing to buy into cliches and support you regardless, you are sacked.

Every single manager who ever got the sack could point to the players as not haing performed. From Alan Ball to Barry Fry, they would be correct. The players obviously haven't performed because the results have been bad - that's why they have been sacked.

It doesn't matter though. They are responsible for getting performances out of the players and ensuring that they buy into them.

The buck stops with the manager.

(ps: no manager that has ever been sacked in the history of football has ever had the temerity to say "I've spent £80m and produced awful results, but just let me spend another £100m and everything will be alright" so it's not exactly relevant. I don't care who takes over until the end of the season. The management can't get anything like decent performances from the squad and I would therefore back any old mug to have some sort of 'Joe Kinnear' slight improvement that would avert the disater that this management team is flirting with)

This is just ANOTHER Hughes out thread,it's big & it's as usual hypocritical.

Don't knwo what your problem is pal but it seems that you are making a habit of making these snide comments on any thread I post.

As usual there is absolutely no substance to what you post, no counter argument and nothing other than snide asides. Therefore, forgive me if I take absolutely no notice of it whatsoever. Cheers.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

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