Blaming the players

[Disturbance]

The saying is , you cant polish a turd. Sven couldnt and neither can Mark hughes. Something has got to give, and even before Mark Hughes took the city job virtually the same team lost to boro 8-1.

Personally, if i was hughes i'd pay up money to the players i want out to terminate there contract now and play reserves until we sign decent quality, at least they would work for the badge and give 110%. The ones we could actually get money for id do a firesale.

Of these 'turds' in our squad, if put up for sale the hughe majority of them would be snapped up by Premier League clubs. Many of them by top half Premier League clubs.

That's because they are recognised as decent players and you will not find a football supporter in this countyr who holds the opinion that Manchester City do not have better players on their books than Newcastle, Sunderland, Stoke, West Brom, Wigan, Boro, Blackburn, West Ham and Fulham.

Most of them would probably agree we had bettet players than the likes of Pompey and Spurs too.

Still, even though you choose to completely ignore this it still doesn't matter.

Managers are not good managers because they can spend £200m and build a team who can get out of the bottom half. They are good managers because they can get the best out of what they work with. Hughes has consistently got got complete shite out of a squad that half the league would kill for the chance to have at their club.

Spot on there. Good thread.

 

[Disturbance]

oh dear what?

I don't really like Hughes, but what I saw today had very little to do with him...

If it is little to do with Hughes then why on earth are we employing him? His good looks and charm perhaps? Seemingly he might as well go for a cup of tea during the match if what takes place over the 90 minutes is not his responsibility. And thats not even taking into account what takes place during the week - you know minor things like training, coaching, motivating etc etc

Sven gets a regular kicking for the 8-1 - which he should given its was an abysmal performance and don't even get me started on that balloon farce last year or the QF against Spurs so what the hell makes Hughes exempt from getting a kicking for early round exits from this years cup competitions?

Very good point, I don't remember Sven ever trying to blame it all on the players either. Although in the Spurs QF we were done by Steve Bennett tbf.

 

[leewill31]

Sven had six months of excellent results to point to as evidence of him being able to motivate the squad and produce winning football. Hughes has absolutely nothing to point to as a positive.

The fact that the players can obviously produce good performances just shows that they are performing way below their ability for most of the time.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MANAGEMENT.

The current management have shown nothing but ineptitude and failure since they got here. And a key difference to the situation with Sven is that this management team have actually taken us to the unimaginable position where relegation is actually something we have to consider as a possibility.

If you don't think that a squad that constantly under performs and regularly does not get anything near their maximum capacity (or even near an acceptbale level) on a consistent basis is not the responsibility of the manager then I'm not sure what you think the job of a manager is and what they are responsible for.

Get more than (or even equal to) the sum of the squads parts - He has failed, badly
Motivating the squad - He has failed, badly
Getting results - He has failed, badly
Improving the numerous young players - He has failed, badly (for every Ireland that has improved there is a Richards that has gone backwards under him, an Onouha who has been ignored, or a Fernandes who has gone from looking an average prospect to a mess).


Whatever criteria you use for judging the man , and I don't count being able to spend £80m on Robinho, Kompany and Zabletta (well known players) as something impressive, he has failed completely.

The 'give him time' argument has to be backed up by something more than blind faith that he will suddenly wave a magic wand and everything that is currently terrible on his watch will reverse itself. Otherwise it becomes an empty cliche with no substance to it other than buttock clenching, ignorant, eyes shut hope.

Please do not point to the players performing really well sometimes and having talent as a defence of him. That's the biggest fucking criticism of him that anyone can make.

to late for me to have an essay battle with you JMA but i will stick to what my last sentence said no matter,maybe tomorrow i will show you were you were wrong in your last post.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Sven had six months of excellent results to point to as evidence of him being able to motivate the squad and produce winning football. Hughes has absolutely nothing to point to as a positive.

The fact that the players can obviously produce good performances just shows that they are performing way below their ability for most of the time.

I don't know how many times I have to say this but THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MANAGEMENT.

The current management have shown nothing but ineptitude and failure since they got here. And a key difference to the situation with Sven is that this management team have actually taken us to the unimaginable position where relegation is actually something we have to consider as a possibility.

If you don't think that a squad that constantly under performs and regularly does not get anything near their maximum capacity (or even near an acceptbale level) on a consistent basis is not the responsibility of the manager then I'm not sure what you think the job of a manager is and what they are responsible for.

Get more than (or even equal to) the sum of the squads parts - He has failed, badly
Motivating the squad - He has failed, badly
Getting results - He has failed, badly
Improving the numerous young players - He has failed, badly (for every Ireland that has improved there is a Richards that has gone backwards under him, an Onouha who has been ignored, or a Fernandes who has gone from looking an average prospect to a mess).


Whatever criteria you use for judging the man , and I don't count being able to spend £80m on Robinho, Kompany and Zabletta (well known players) as something impressive, he has failed completely.

The 'give him time' argument has to be backed up by something more than blind faith that he will suddenly wave a magic wand and everything that is currently terrible on his watch will reverse itself. Otherwise it becomes an empty cliche with no substance to it other than buttock clenching, ignorant, eyes shut hope.

Please do not point to the players performing really well sometimes and having talent as a defence of him. That's the biggest fucking criticism of him that anyone can make.

to late for me to have an essay battle with you JMA but i will stick to what my last sentence said no matter,maybe tomorrow i will show you were you were wrong in your last post.

Don't want a battle. Lol. Anyway, I'm only up watching the American Football. Night.

 

[leewill31]

to late for me to have an essay battle with you JMA but i will stick to what my last sentence said no matter,maybe tomorrow i will show you were you were wrong in your last post.

Don't want a battle. Lol. Anyway, I'm only up watching the American Football. Night.

well stop doing bloody essays then :)

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

we 've done the changing manager bit too many times havent we??? some of those performances today and for most of the season have been an absolute disgrace and i will single out elano and richards as the main culprits. MH needs to be allowed to produce his own team in a fair ammount of time.

We have changed the manager to often over the last 30 years or so and we won nothing because of it. I'm not sure for all of MH's failings ie tactics, team selection, etc we can blame him for Richards poor header which led to the first goal, and Hammans throw in which led to the third. Both of those mistakes were schoolboy errors unbelievable. Elanos attitude was horrendous, I'd drop all three for our next game.

 

[Challenger1978]

JohnMaddocksAxe i agree with you mate and i'd like to add something on to that. Does anyone remember how good the players actually were when Alan Ball was manager and got us relegated . As that used to be one of the things that got to me the most back in the day when we first got relegated from the premiership.

Those players that left city a load of them ended up as captains of teams in the premiership, i can't remember the names at the moment but one was captain of west ham another was captain i think of Blackburn and others went on to do really well as well. Basically we had a bloody good bunch of players and because of piss poor management we ended up getting relegated.

And you know what its fucking killing me at the moment because i'm seeing the exact same fucking thing happen again before my eyes. The fans are divided and at each others throats, good players are under performing, the manager is showing a lack of leadership. And anything that can go against us is going against us, i really really do fear that the club is about to implode again. And like Alan Ball who did it to us last time, Lesie Mark Hughes is doing as fucking good job at destroying us.

Ball was shite but imo the problem went further.We suffered from exactly the same thing playing wise as now. Shite defenders giving away goals from nothing, a team relying on a star player who rarely performs away from home to win the games for them & players more concerned about what was happening behind the scenes. When Ball had gone what happened? We got worse & worse & worse until everyone finally realised players like Kit Symons were wankers.

Turning point was Andy Morrison. We need a PL defender to do the same job & also be a leader on the pitch.

I equate this season more with the one where Joe Royle sorted it out. I recon Hughes will turn this around if allowed to.

From what i remember when we dropped out of the premiership we were in around 30 million pounds worth of debt (a large amount in them days). And back then i dont think you got the parachute payments you get now for getting relegated. So we had a large debt and a massive drop in income, so we had to sell of all our good players and replace them with shite as we couldn't afford anything better.

 

[Disturbance]

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this should be on the first page.

 

[Anonymous]

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this should be on the first page.

Why?

Because it's a Hughes out thread?

LOL...for the record...I posted this somewhere else yesterday...

Who do we believe in...the mediocre players in the squad that know they're gone, and are acting like it....the manager who knows they're gone and seems incapable of motivating them...

You know I had an ironic laugh earlier as I contemplated the vast difference between wanting to sign players of the ilk of David Villa, and the disgrace of losing today...

One more thing, I hope those who have spent the week going on and on about certain players not being good enough have realized tonight that its tough to get worse than some of the shite we call a first team squad. I even take back what I said about Scott Parker. Him, Bellamy, RSC, Given, Toure, et al would all be a fuck of a lot better than the shite we have...

City players who played tonight, go fuck yourselves...Hughes, go fuck yourself...Cook...pull your fucking finger out and do something...if ever a club needed a figurehead, an inspiration, a leader...this it the club...now is the time...

 

[bezer57]

if MH thinks he hasnt got the players to play his system then play one they can play if they have to play 4.4.2 play it till he gets the players that can play the way he wont,s u have to work with what u have ???????