ell
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The difference is, BNP voters voted while other party voters didnt turn up, the turn out was poor I believe
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bnp have an elected mep
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nelsons willie
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bluezi said:I am shocked, the Bnp in Yorkshire, thats just not Cricket.
spent some time in leeds couple of years ago..am not surprised in the slightest.
Mr Rich
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Most people on this forum have seen fit to air their rather forceful views of the BNP, and while I am similarly disappointed and shocked that so many people chose to put a racist party into some position of power, I am delighted. Not in the fact that the BNP were voted into the EU Parliament but for the fact that it shows democracy, something that I believed had long since disappeared from the word, actually does exist in Britain.
The people who voted for the BNP did it for one of two reasons; becuse they actually believed in their policies, which anyone has the democratic right to do, vote for what they belive in and not what people tell them to believe; or other people could have voted to send a prostest vote to Westminster politics, and what better way to do that than to vote for holocaust deniers. I also give credit to those that chose to vote BNP on the basis that the media were attempting to deny many people the right to vote for this party and the voters were not put off, while again I do not agree with what they were doing everyone has the right to vote. Furthermore I am slightly suprised that many thought fraud of MPs was slightly less significant than racism but everybody has a right to think.
Finally to all those people that point the finger at the people who voted BNP shame on you. You should point the finger at those that decided to sit at home posting messages on this forum like 'SSN conference at 4' rather than use there free right to vote. The fact is if only 1200 more people had voted UKIP or 5000 more Green, this thread would not exist, so I blame the people who did not vote, not those that voted BNP.
The people who voted for the BNP did it for one of two reasons; becuse they actually believed in their policies, which anyone has the democratic right to do, vote for what they belive in and not what people tell them to believe; or other people could have voted to send a prostest vote to Westminster politics, and what better way to do that than to vote for holocaust deniers. I also give credit to those that chose to vote BNP on the basis that the media were attempting to deny many people the right to vote for this party and the voters were not put off, while again I do not agree with what they were doing everyone has the right to vote. Furthermore I am slightly suprised that many thought fraud of MPs was slightly less significant than racism but everybody has a right to think.
Finally to all those people that point the finger at the people who voted BNP shame on you. You should point the finger at those that decided to sit at home posting messages on this forum like 'SSN conference at 4' rather than use there free right to vote. The fact is if only 1200 more people had voted UKIP or 5000 more Green, this thread would not exist, so I blame the people who did not vote, not those that voted BNP.
Dubai Blue
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Good post.Mr Rich said:Most people on this forum have seen fit to air their rather forceful views of the BNP, and while I am similarly disappointed and shocked that so many people chose to put a racist party into some position of power, I am delighted. Not in the fact that the BNP were voted into the EU Parliament but for the fact that it shows democracy, something that I believed had long since disappeared from the word, actually does exist in Britain.
The people who voted for the BNP did it for one of two reasons; becuse they actually believed in their policies, which anyone has the democratic right to do, vote for what they belive in and not what people tell them to believe; or other people could have voted to send a prostest vote to Westminster politics, and what better way to do that than to vote for holocaust deniers. I also give credit to those that chose to vote BNP on the basis that the media were attempting to deny many people the right to vote for this party and the voters were not put off, while again I do not agree with what they were doing everyone has the right to vote. Furthermore I am slightly suprised that many thought fraud of MPs was slightly less significant than racism but everybody has a right to think.
Finally to all those people that point the finger at the people who voted BNP shame on you. You should point the finger at those that decided to sit at home posting messages on this forum like 'SSN conference at 4' rather than use there free right to vote. The fact is if only 1200 more people had voted UKIP or 5000 more Green, this thread would not exist, so I blame the people who did not vote, not those that voted BNP.
But I would like to think that very few people chose to vote for the BNP as a protest. Their policies are such that you have to truly and passionately believe in them. Would normal people really vote for racists just to prove a point? I hope not, especially when there are plenty of other options available. Unfortunately, most people chose to protest by not voting and, as we have seen, that can have very unpleasant consequences indeed.
JohnMaddocksAxe
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people could have voted to send a prostest vote to Westminster politics, and what better way to do that than to vote for holocaust
Warped logic.
Why not vote for the aforementioned paedophiles and donkey rapist allianance then?
And before you say that's not a party, that's barely the point. You wouldn't vote for them or condone voting for them as 'a grat protest'.
Or are those two subjects too far to the edge of your moral compass whilst holocaust denial and a bit of jolly fascism and racism is a good choice of subject for a bit of a funny protest?
You might have a point regarding apathy and people not voting having some responsibility but to suggest that they hold more responsibility than those who voted for these scumbags is absolutely ridiculous and the equivalent of the 'of not sound mind' defence that criminals use in court to suggest that the state/others should have protected them from their own shitty actions.
Warped logic.
Why not vote for the aforementioned paedophiles and donkey rapist allianance then?
And before you say that's not a party, that's barely the point. You wouldn't vote for them or condone voting for them as 'a grat protest'.
Or are those two subjects too far to the edge of your moral compass whilst holocaust denial and a bit of jolly fascism and racism is a good choice of subject for a bit of a funny protest?
You might have a point regarding apathy and people not voting having some responsibility but to suggest that they hold more responsibility than those who voted for these scumbags is absolutely ridiculous and the equivalent of the 'of not sound mind' defence that criminals use in court to suggest that the state/others should have protected them from their own shitty actions.
Mr Rich
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JohnMaddocksAxe said:people could have voted to send a prostest vote to Westminster politics, and what better way to do that than to vote for holocaust
Warped logic.
You might have a point regarding apathy and people not voting having some responsibility but to suggest that they hold more responsibility than those who voted for these scumbags is absolutely ridiculous and the equivalent of the 'of not sound mind' defence that criminals use in court to suggest that the state/others should have protected them from their own shitty actions.
Exactly my point, it is warped logic. But what better way to get your message across than shocking the whole of society and proving dissatisfaction than vote for something so obsurd? It makes every citizen of this country stand up and take notice.
However I disagree with your last point, if people choose to vote for a party it is their personal choice, it is clearly worse those people that don't vote at all, although it is their right not to, it is far better to spoil your ballot paper it shows you would have voted if there was anyone there to represent your interests, which the BNP might have done for many, sitting at home and not voting and then disagreeing with people voting for what they believe in is far worse.
brooklandsblue2.0 said:Helmet Cole said:brooklandsblue2.0 said:Lets see if they deliver on their promises and represent their constituents before we get all Guardianesque about them.
Do you mean return/repatriate their constituents?
No, they will not be able to do that. I mean will they be present at clinics, will they listen to their constituents, will they ask the questions WE the electorate want answering, that kind of things. Most people voted BNP as a protest to the self serving pigs who take a lot out and give back very little, yes they have some questionable policies but if you take the racist shit out they also spoke a lot of sense.
How can they speak any sense?....the fact they are racist means they are stupid human beings.......our grandfathers who fought the nazi bastards would be turning in their graves at this.
More importantly mr brooklands blue..YOU have an obligation as a city fan, with all the players of creeds and colours playing for us to sort your head out!!!!
bluebandits
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I am a son of Manchester, born in Hulme, and i despair at the thought of the BNP being a representation of the area i love! Manchester is probably one of the most tolerant areas of the UK and i cannot come to terms with the fact that Manchester people would use their democratic right to install this vermin onto the European Council. Sure, we are all pissed off with the mainstream parties but lets not forget they have all had their snouts in the trough and the European gravy train is far worse than anything we have in domestic politics. All we have done is give these thugs the opportunity to mingle with other far right political parties in Brussels and spread their hatred throughout Europe.