Bobby ain't happy! (The Mail.....)

Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

Damocles said:
hgblue said:
Damocles said:
The idea that Mancini would walk is ludicrous

If he feels he isn't being given the tools to do the job it's not that far fetched that he's not happy, though I agree it's unlikely that he'd walk.

Mancini will never, ever walk. He'd lose MILLIONS in severance bonuses for resigning. He's not an idiot.

cleavers said:
If Marwood is so bad at his job, why do Khaldoon, the board, and the owner not just sack him right away ? There is only one answer, they don't because they think he's doing a good job. If they are so badly wrong then maybe its Kahldoon, the board, and the owner that need to go.

What an interesting way to change the argument. It's also bullshit, but interesting that you've decided to spin it this way. Let's use the exact same logic in a different circumstance. If you make a bad run of moderating decisions, should be throw Ric out?

I'd just like to point out the bullshit that this simple argument about the competence of Marwood has degenerated into:

1. If Khaldoon hasn't sacked him, either Khaldoon thinks he's doing a good job or has bad judgement.

2. Criticising Marwood is analogous to criticising the ownership.

3. Nobody knows what Marwood's job is, so he cannot be judged.

4. This storm around him is due to him being a scapegoat from Mancini.

5. People who think Marwood is not doing a good job are whinging about lack of spending.

All of the above is complete nonsense.

For the record, I'm sure some might remember that I've been screaming for Marwood to be sacked for three years, since he tried to politik to get Hughes out of the door and lure Wenger here whilst Hughes was still in charge.

Every single person I have spoken to at City on the football side thinks Marwood is incompetent. The Academy's progress under his vision since he joined has been non-existent. Every staff member who has left has either publicly or privately criticised Marwood as a politician who doesn't know what he's doing. Now even the manager has criticised Marwood. He joined because he was pals with Cook at Nike, where he worked in marketing department as an account manager. He has stayed because nobody has come up with a good reason to sack him yet.

His job as Director of Football (and Football Administrator is just a nice title for this) is to help negotiate player contracts, help close transfer dealings, and oversee the entire football operation on the executive level. Under his tenure, the Academy has stopped producing players that we can sell on or put into the squad. They appointed a mate of his as the head of the Academy whose experience was that he used to run an IT department. We are currently the highest wage bill in the country, cannot shift players and have wasted probably a hundred million pound in transfers. He has fallen out with several agents over agent fees. He has no influence at UEFA or the ECA where guys like Platini, Beckenbauer and Dehaene have ran us down publicly. He is not an operator on the same level of these people. He has consistently tried to purchase young English players and we subsequently overpaid for many of them or they were of little use. AJ was known to be a Marwood signing, he was also a big proponent on Milner. Whether this has continued into Sinclair and Rodwell, I don't know, but post-Community Shield, Mancini looked like he barely had any idea what he was going to do with him. Our scouting department left en-masse and we seem to have a rudderless ship on this front. We still have no vision or philosophy of football purveying the club, our first team and youth teams play entirely different brands of football. We still have guys like Jim Cassell who are exceptionally well regarded talents in football doing absolutely nothing whilst Attilio Lombardo runs our Academy teams.

And again, the biggest warning sign about him is that every single person in football at City seems to be saying that he's incompetent and have been for years.

I don't see absolutely anything exceptional that he has brought to the table. He seems to be brought here because he was Cook's mate and been kept around because he's doing alright or his projects take a while to come to fruition. I think in a couple of years time, there will be no disagreements on the job that he did as the Academy continues to falter and we continue to throw money away. Maybe he knows where the bodies are buried, who knows?

There's a case that he's done a poor job. There's a case that he's done a mostly alright job. There's absolutely nothing to support the idea that he has done a top quality job. Every single part of City is striving to be the best. The best manager, the best players, the best Academy, the best CEO, the best Chairman, the best stadium. Brian Marwood doesn't seem to fit this ethos and has been shown to be incompetent on numerous occassions.

But other than that he's a decent bloke?
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

Rammy Blue said:
But other than that he's a decent bloke?

Apparently, he's a likable chap. This doesn't mean that he's good at his job though.

Does anyone here believe Marwood to be one of the best DoFs in the entirety of football?

If the answer is no, he shouldn't be at City.
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

Damocles said:
Brian Marwood doesn't seem to fit this ethos and has been shown to be incompetent on numerous occassions.

Then why hasn't he been sacked?

And why is it not a damning indictment of Khaldoon that he hasn't been sacked?

You can't have both ways.
 
Mancio said:
if you have e bit of time try to go on any italian (non juventus) football forum and ask if and how much "the media" has helped a team win a trophy (or many) ;)
"the media" in Italy may well have influenced things, but I'd suggest it was rather more to do with money or rather the money that owns the media, rather than the media.

I've no doubt "the media" can influence some issues, but the bottom line is that its the best tactics and the best players that usually win trophies, and since I think we have both with Mancini and our current squad, so I expect us to be close this season, and if we don't win something, it will be because somebody else has done bettter with both than we have, and I won't blaming Marwood (or the board or owner), for not paying stupid prices for players who may or not be worth it.
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

BillyShears said:
Damocles said:
Brian Marwood doesn't seem to fit this ethos and has been shown to be incompetent on numerous occassions.

Then why hasn't he been sacked?

And why is it not a damning indictment of Khaldoon that he hasn't been sacked?

You can't have both ways.

Because he hasn't done anything bad enough to be sacked that can't be explained away?
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

Damocles said:
Rammy Blue said:
But other than that he's a decent bloke?

Apparently, he's a likable chap. This doesn't mean that he's good at his job though.

Does anyone here believe Marwood to be one of the best DoFs in the entirety of football?

If the answer is no, he shouldn't be at City.

Don't get me wrong, was only having a laugh.

Personally, I'd like to see him replaced, certainly doesn't give me the impression he can handle himself when dealing with the big boys of Euro football.
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

"We have the right scouting, the right management of that, I have the highest regard for Brian Marwood for what he has accomplished in that area,"

"Hats off to Brian, he has been fantastic. It's working and it's working at all levels. The academy is not something you can judge today. It's a long-term programme. You are not going to be able to judge that success until three or four years from now."

Seems that not every person at the club is convinced of Marwoods incompetence, or the future failure of our academy and scouting set-up.

But what would the chairman know.
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

moomba said:
"We have the right scouting, the right management of that, I have the highest regard for Brian Marwood for what he has accomplished in that area,"

"Hats off to Brian, he has been fantastic. It's working and it's working at all levels. The academy is not something you can judge today. It's a long-term programme. You are not going to be able to judge that success until three or four years from now."

Seems that not every person at the club is convinced of Marwoods incompetence.

That "right scouting" which Khaldoon says it's an area that Marwood has accomplished lots in, left then slagged off Marwood. Marwood has already overseen the Academy for three years. Do you think it's working?

It's also a public interview for PR purposes with the official website of the club and the official interviewer. Do you need me to show you his comments about Hughes?
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

moomba said:
"We have the right scouting, the right management of that, I have the highest regard for Brian Marwood for what he has accomplished in that area,"

"Hats off to Brian, he has been fantastic. It's working and it's working at all levels. The academy is not something you can judge today. It's a long-term programme. You are not going to be able to judge that success until three or four years from now."

Seems that not every person at the club is convinced of Marwoods incompetence, or the future failure of our academy and scouting set-up.

But what would the chairman know.


at the same time i don't believe any words from mancini's press conference let me be free to don't believe most of the words our chairman can say in a PC.
 
Re: Bobby aint happy! (The Mail.....)

Damocles said:
Because he hasn't done anything bad enough to be sacked that can't be explained away?

Sorry I just don't agree with you. Maybe the people you speak to at City should talk to the powers that be if they think Marwood's doing such a bad job because clearly the owners and Khaldoun think very differently.
 

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