Brian Marwood {merged}

Re: Brian Marwood

Some of you need your heads banging together.

Do you actually think Marwood, after signing off on the transfers of Bridge, RSC etc, has just decided on his own to not bother with anyone now? Do you think he's thinking to himself "You know what, I fancy a summer off, I don't think we'll do anything this year".

Or is it more likely that the club, in order to comply with FFPR (which other clubs top bollocks are really pushing to be used against us), has had a change in philosophy. We already have a very good side. And if we go one summer without signing anyone, it lets clubs know we won't be taken for a ride any more, and we might actually get quoted some reasonable prices for players in the future.

But it's good that Mancini is fighting for what's best for the team. The real bastard of this situation is that there are valid arguments all around the table. Our owners have outsmarted the bear traps put in place from day one. Believe, like I do, that they have a plan.

It's also worth noting that none of the signing from the "RSC window" count towards FFPR in any way.
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Mancio

How can Marwood sell players? Surely we are not talking about products no one knows about and them being sold depends on how well Marwood markets them. All he can do is make clubs aware these players are available and its up to clubs to bid for them.

Other clubs are not stupid as well and know City are desperate to get rid of these overpaid deadwoods and are telling them, we can take them on free, but we aint paying, so its up to you. Look at Adebayor and how Levy is playing this game, it has nothing to do with marwood, the club made mistakes and simply have to take the hit once for all.

Even if they release these players, the likes of Adebayor can say he will not leave unless he gets his remaining 2 years salary which is about 16-17 million
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Tony101 said:
Mancio

How can Marwood sell players? Surely we are not talking about products no one knows about and them being sold depends on how well Marwood markets them. All he can do is make clubs aware these players are available and its up to clubs to bid for them.

Other clubs are not stupid as well and know City are desperate to get rid of these overpaid deadwoods and are telling them, we can take them on free, but we aint paying, so its up to you. Look at Adebayor and how Levy is playing this game, it has nothing to do with marwood, the club made mistakes and simply have to take the hit once for all.

Even if they release these players, the likes of Adebayor can say he will not leave unless he gets his remaining 2 years salary which is about 16-17 million

if what you say was true then i can do the same work marwood is payed for ? it seem no competence or ability is request...

and , by the way... mancini must really be an idiot becouse he seem to think the opposite way
 
Brian Marwood

Bluemoon115 said:
Some of you need your heads banging together.

Do you actually think Marwood, after signing off on the transfers of Bridge, RSC etc, has just decided on his own to not bother with anyone now? Do you think he's thinking to himself "You know what, I fancy a summer off, I don't think we'll do anything this year".

Or is it more likely that the club, in order to comply with FFPR (which other clubs top bollocks are really pushing to be used against us), has had a change in philosophy. We already have a very good side. And if we go one summer without signing anyone, it lets clubs know we won't be taken for a ride any more, and we might actually get quoted some reasonable prices for players in the future.

But it's good that Mancini is fighting for what's best for the team. The real bastard of this situation is that there are valid arguments all around the table. Our owners have outsmarted the bear traps put in place from day one. Believe, like I do, that they have a plan.

It's also worth noting that none of the signing from the "RSC window" count towards FFPR in any way.
absolutely correct. In mancini's quotes, insert 'khaldoon' for 'Marwood' and you're closer to the truth. Mancini is a hothead but he won't directly bite the hand that feeds him. As you say, you can see both sides. We can't just stockpile overpaid players, but we need cover in the squad.
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Didsbury Dave said:
Bluemoon115 said:
Some of you need your heads banging together.

Do you actually think Marwood, after signing off on the transfers of Bridge, RSC etc, has just decided on his own to not bother with anyone now? Do you think he's thinking to himself "You know what, I fancy a summer off, I don't think we'll do anything this year".

Or is it more likely that the club, in order to comply with FFPR (which other clubs top bollocks are really pushing to be used against us), has had a change in philosophy. We already have a very good side. And if we go one summer without signing anyone, it lets clubs know we won't be taken for a ride any more, and we might actually get quoted some reasonable prices for players in the future.

But it's good that Mancini is fighting for what's best for the team. The real bastard of this situation is that there are valid arguments all around the table. Our owners have outsmarted the bear traps put in place from day one. Believe, like I do, that they have a plan.

It's also worth noting that none of the signing from the "RSC window" count towards FFPR in any way.
absolutely correct. In mancini's quotes, insert 'khaldoon' for 'Marwood' and you're closer to the truth. Mancini is a hothead but he won't directly bite the hand that feeds him. As you say, you can see both sides. We can't just stockpile overpaid players, but we need cover in the squad.
I dont some people want to accept that mancini is frustrated with khaldoon and its much nicer to believe marwood has decided to be a d!ck and say to Mancini you aint gonna buy anyone else
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Marwood is incompetent.

I have never heard a single person in football who says anything different, all of them band around phrases like "out of his depth", "can't organise a piss up in a brewery" and "wrecked our Academy". The only person who seemed to rate him was Gary Cook. I expect when the new guy comes in, he'll be gone.

And I disagree that Mancini was loose lipped here. I think he knew exactly what he was saying. It's been banded around the press for a while that Marwood was in trouble and this will probably be Mancini executing a power play. He had problems in his previous clubs with DoFs too, he just doesn't like working under them. A bit like Mourinho, Fergie, Wenger and every other manager.

I think he's seen an opportunity to stick the boot in to an old adversary here and has done so. As you well know Dave, it was only a year back that the Sheikh had to grab Mancini and Marwood in Abu Dhabi and read them the Riot Act. They have been at odds for a long, long time and I've often said that some of TH's info came directly from the Marwood camp so it was interesting to see what he was putting out about Mancini into the press world. Especially the now falsified Mancini to Juve story that somehow painted Mancini as a monster and Marwood as a saint.

Every coach at City who has expressed an opinion on Marwood has always given a negative one. Everybody on the football side of the business seems to hold him in very low regard. Even Mark Allen, logically a better target for hate, gets credit for achievement but Marwood is constantly derided. Hughes and his team hated him too because there was a real feeling that he was attempting to get Wenger in to replace him without giving him a chance.

The better question is this:

Does Marwood being almost constantly called incompetent by the football side mean he's actually competent? Isn't his job to say no? Or can they see past his role and judge him accurately?

Either way, he'll be the next to go when a new top man comes in. It's the easy decision; the football side resents him and the new man can pick his own staff (or if Mancini has his way, ask Mancini to pick his own staff). Hopefully we can then throw out Allen and start building a structure that wasn't haphazardly gaffer taped together by Gary Cook to give his mates a job.

This is the funny thing really. We all hate that we have Gary Cook's mates in key positions for dubious reasons (our Academy Administrator's qualifications for running a football Academy is that he used to run an IT department and Cook thought he was a nice guy), yet if we get rid of Cook's people then we'll eventually end up with Mancini's people in those positions instead. Better the devil you know?

Mancini's people will be great for the short term but if he decides to leave or we decide that we don't want him any more, we'll be stuck in the same boat. This is supposed to be the purpose of a Director of Football (which is essentially what Marwood is), to keep continuity for football infrastructure because managers come and go. If we sack the DoF because the manager doesn't like him and revert to a Mancini designed infastructure then it will only be a benefit if Mancini stays for 10 years plus. Does anybody else here see Mancini staying for another ten years? I love the bloke, he's legitimately one of my favourite managers ever and I believe one of the top managers in the world but at no point has he ever given me the idea that he wants to build a dynasty at a club. In fact, he has stated that he eventually wants a crack at the Azzurri. You can't build an infrastructure around a guy who isn't 100% committed to it long term.

We're damned either way. What I believe to be our "ace in the hole" though, is Patrick Vieira. He has been working on the Academy side, liaising with Allen, has done some work as an Ambassador like Summerbee, has done his media training, and has worked closely with Marwood on occassion. He's off to get his coaching badges currently and is a well respected person in football who Mancini has worked with successfully on numerous occassions. There is definitely a long term plan for him in the structure but I can't for the life of me see where it is. It may be as a replacement for Kidd or it may be a similar role to Marwood if he goes. If Leonardo can work as DoF as PSG then there's no reason why someone like Vieira couldn't. Maybe he's even a long term self produced manager, with him moving into a role under Scott Sellars initially? Maybe he'll do his badges and work in our revitalised scouting system for a while? Maybe there's no long term plan and he's a bit of a magpie who will piss off somewhere else.

It's a tough decision but what City are doing seems to be the right course. You can't not back your manager but you can't throw out the guy who designed the infastructure. You have to manage them until the time that one of their positions becomes untenable. I'm betting that Mancini's on the field success has bought him enough time to outlast Marwood and any failures in the future can now be blamed by Mancini on Marwood due to the lack of transfers, rightly or wrongly.
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Watching what is going on I suspect FFP is starting to bite and behind the scenes people know we are going to have to comply.

If FFP is enforced rigidly in the future (and it is still a big if) it makes things interesting. If we can effectively only spend what we earn haven't we really lost the major benefit of having very wealthy owners ? Is there any point having millions of pounds to spend on players if we legally aren't allowed to do it.

I am in no way knocking the owners as I am delighted at the way are going about things and I know that funds can be spent in ways that don't affect FFP (the academy etc). I think their ownership happened in the nick of time as we were able to scramble up to the top table just before the chairs get kicked away!

On the plus side the fact that we got a top notch team just ahead of FFP really kicking in means that our revenue is increasing dramatically and that really has to be our prime focus as it looks like that is going to determine how much we have to spend in the future - we have got to increase the capacity at the Etihad sooner rather than later, even if we don't fill it every game.

I also think that FFP will depress transfer fees and wages in the long term (both good things in my view).

City are going to remain one of the top teams in the UK & Europe without a doubt but I think any thoughts of us running away with it every year will be a bit unrealistic if FFP is enforced properly. We are very fortunate that United are not in a position to spend what they earn because of their odious owners (Long may the Gazers reign!)
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Damocles said:
Marwood is incompetent.

I have never heard a single person in football who says anything different, all of them band around phrases like "out of his depth", "can't organise a piss up in a brewery" and "wrecked our Academy". The only person who seemed to rate him was Gary Cook. I expect when the new guy comes in, he'll be gone.

And I disagree that Mancini was loose lipped here. I think he knew exactly what he was saying. It's been banded around the press for a while that Marwood was in trouble and this will probably be Mancini executing a power play. He had problems in his previous clubs with DoFs too, he just doesn't like working under them. A bit like Mourinho, Fergie, Wenger and every other manager.

I think he's seen an opportunity to stick the boot in to an old adversary here and has done so. As you well know Dave, it was only a year back that the Sheikh had to grab Mancini and Marwood in Abu Dhabi and read them the Riot Act. They have been at odds for a long, long time and I've often said that some of TH's info came directly from the Marwood camp so it was interesting to see what he was putting out about Mancini into the press world. Especially the now falsified Mancini to Juve story that somehow painted Mancini as a monster and Marwood as a saint.

Every coach at City who has expressed an opinion on Marwood has always given a negative one. Everybody on the football side of the business seems to hold him in very low regard. Even Mark Allen, logically a better target for hate, gets credit for achievement but Marwood is constantly derided. Hughes and his team hated him too because there was a real feeling that he was attempting to get Wenger in to replace him without giving him a chance.

The better question is this:

Does Marwood being almost constantly called incompetent by the football side mean he's actually competent? Isn't his job to say no? Or can they see past his role and judge him accurately?

Either way, he'll be the next to go when a new top man comes in. It's the easy decision; the football side resents him and the new man can pick his own staff (or if Mancini has his way, ask Mancini to pick his own staff). Hopefully we can then throw out Allen and start building a structure that wasn't haphazardly gaffer taped together by Gary Cook to give his mates a job.

This is the funny thing really. We all hate that we have Gary Cook's mates in key positions for dubious reasons (our Academy Administrator's qualifications for running a football Academy is that he used to run an IT department and Cook thought he was a nice guy), yet if we get rid of Cook's people then we'll eventually end up with Mancini's people in those positions instead. Better the devil you know?

Mancini's people will be great for the short term but if he decides to leave or we decide that we don't want him any more, we'll be stuck in the same boat. This is supposed to be the purpose of a Director of Football (which is essentially what Marwood is), to keep continuity for football infrastructure because managers come and go. If we sack the DoF because the manager doesn't like him and revert to a Mancini designed infastructure then it will only be a benefit if Mancini stays for 10 years plus. Does anybody else here see Mancini staying for another ten years? I love the bloke, he's legitimately one of my favourite managers ever and I believe one of the top managers in the world but at no point has he ever given me the idea that he wants to build a dynasty at a club. In fact, he has stated that he eventually wants a crack at the Azzurri. You can't build an infrastructure around a guy who isn't 100% committed to it long term.

We're damned either way. What I believe to be our "ace in the hole" though, is Patrick Vieira. He has been working on the Academy side, liaising with Allen, has done some work as an Ambassador like Summerbee, has done his media training, and has worked closely with Marwood on occassion. He's off to get his coaching badges currently and is a well respected person in football who Mancini has worked with successfully on numerous occassions. There is definitely a long term plan for him in the structure but I can't for the life of me see where it is. It may be as a replacement for Kidd or it may be a similar role to Marwood if he goes. If Leonardo can work as DoF as PSG then there's no reason why someone like Vieira couldn't. Maybe he's even a long term self produced manager, with him moving into a role under Scott Sellars initially? Maybe he'll do his badges and work in our revitalised scouting system for a while? Maybe there's no long term plan and he's a bit of a magpie who will piss off somewhere else.

It's a tough decision but what City are doing seems to be the right course. You can't not back your manager but you can't throw out the guy who designed the infastructure. You have to manage them until the time that one of their positions becomes untenable. I'm betting that Mancini's on the field success has bought him enough time to outlast Marwood and any failures in the future can now be blamed by Mancini on Marwood due to the lack of transfers, rightly or wrongly.


You always manage to forget that the owners rate him
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Damocles said:
Marwood is incompetent.

I have never heard a single person in football who says anything different, all of them band around phrases like "out of his depth", "can't organise a piss up in a brewery" and "wrecked our Academy". The only person who seemed to rate him was Gary Cook. I expect when the new guy comes in, he'll be gone.

And I disagree that Mancini was loose lipped here. I think he knew exactly what he was saying. It's been banded around the press for a while that Marwood was in trouble and this will probably be Mancini executing a power play. He had problems in his previous clubs with DoFs too, he just doesn't like working under them. A bit like Mourinho, Fergie, Wenger and every other manager.

I think he's seen an opportunity to stick the boot in to an old adversary here and has done so. As you well know Dave, it was only a year back that the Sheikh had to grab Mancini and Marwood in Abu Dhabi and read them the Riot Act. They have been at odds for a long, long time and I've often said that some of TH's info came directly from the Marwood camp so it was interesting to see what he was putting out about Mancini into the press world. Especially the now falsified Mancini to Juve story that somehow painted Mancini as a monster and Marwood as a saint.

Every coach at City who has expressed an opinion on Marwood has always given a negative one. Everybody on the football side of the business seems to hold him in very low regard. Even Mark Allen, logically a better target for hate, gets credit for achievement but Marwood is constantly derided. Hughes and his team hated him too because there was a real feeling that he was attempting to get Wenger in to replace him without giving him a chance.

The better question is this:

Does Marwood being almost constantly called incompetent by the football side mean he's actually competent? Isn't his job to say no? Or can they see past his role and judge him accurately?

Either way, he'll be the next to go when a new top man comes in. It's the easy decision; the football side resents him and the new man can pick his own staff (or if Mancini has his way, ask Mancini to pick his own staff). Hopefully we can then throw out Allen and start building a structure that wasn't haphazardly gaffer taped together by Gary Cook to give his mates a job.

This is the funny thing really. We all hate that we have Gary Cook's mates in key positions for dubious reasons (our Academy Administrator's qualifications for running a football Academy is that he used to run an IT department and Cook thought he was a nice guy), yet if we get rid of Cook's people then we'll eventually end up with Mancini's people in those positions instead. Better the devil you know?

Mancini's people will be great for the short term but if he decides to leave or we decide that we don't want him any more, we'll be stuck in the same boat. This is supposed to be the purpose of a Director of Football (which is essentially what Marwood is), to keep continuity for football infrastructure because managers come and go. If we sack the DoF because the manager doesn't like him and revert to a Mancini designed infastructure then it will only be a benefit if Mancini stays for 10 years plus. Does anybody else here see Mancini staying for another ten years? I love the bloke, he's legitimately one of my favourite managers ever and I believe one of the top managers in the world but at no point has he ever given me the idea that he wants to build a dynasty at a club. In fact, he has stated that he eventually wants a crack at the Azzurri. You can't build an infrastructure around a guy who isn't 100% committed to it long term.

We're damned either way. What I believe to be our "ace in the hole" though, is Patrick Vieira. He has been working on the Academy side, liaising with Allen, has done some work as an Ambassador like Summerbee, has done his media training, and has worked closely with Marwood on occassion. He's off to get his coaching badges currently and is a well respected person in football who Mancini has worked with successfully on numerous occassions. There is definitely a long term plan for him in the structure but I can't for the life of me see where it is. It may be as a replacement for Kidd or it may be a similar role to Marwood if he goes. If Leonardo can work as DoF as PSG then there's no reason why someone like Vieira couldn't. Maybe he's even a long term self produced manager, with him moving into a role under Scott Sellars initially? Maybe he'll do his badges and work in our revitalised scouting system for a while? Maybe there's no long term plan and he's a bit of a magpie who will piss off somewhere else.

It's a tough decision but what City are doing seems to be the right course. You can't not back your manager but you can't throw out the guy who designed the infastructure. You have to manage them until the time that one of their positions becomes untenable. I'm betting that Mancini's on the field success has bought him enough time to outlast Marwood and any failures in the future can now be blamed by Mancini on Marwood due to the lack of transfers, rightly or wrongly.
Interesting post, but the difference between Fergie/Wenger and Mancini is that they know how to get rid of people they dont like without making a mess. Mancini is an emotional guy and like you said he has had problems before DOFs and made a mess in the media.

Even if Mancini think he's incompetent, he needs to do with better style, last thing he needs is to create too many enemies on the board. If he falls out with everyone around the owner, then these people will wait for the right moment to stab you when things dont go too well. mourinho did this mistake at Chelsea and when the result wasnt coming and everyone was talking behind his back to the owner, eventually the owner came over.
 
Re: Brian Marwood

Mancini probably won some "power" with getting Lombardo to the EDS manager position.Honestly I doubt he is a good coach, is he a coach at all? He used to scout our next opponent many times before it. He was on the training ground and looked the biggest "clown" in the staff but in a good way of course.

Well this new U21 PL is just starting next week, will be interesting to see how he manages the EDS site, dont know he is in chrge of the NextGen team too or not.

Last year's coach in that position (Welsh?) was a very bad one, a Marwood man, we probably did well with getting rid of him, but have my doubts about Lombardo. He is fantastic friend of Mancini yeah, but good enough coach for the youngster? Dont know.

Hopefully as they are in a daily connection as they are close friends, it could help the youngster to get into the first team.

And hope he wont have to start Mancini's son every match.:)
 

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