zeven said:The money available to us. with unlimited money i could make those deal happen.grim up north said:Shaelumstash said:Who do you mean, John Williams? He's clearly a better negotiator than Marwood as he took his pants down and got 18m for Santa Cruz. Williams now actually reports to Marwood, and it is Marwood who has overall responsibility for transfer business. Obviously Mancini says who he does / doesn't want, but it is Marwood who does all of the negotiating and deal making.
I'm not saying he's useless, he's clearly intelligent and talented, otherwise he wouldn't have held the position he did at Nike, and have got the job with us in the first place. I am sure there is a role at the club where he could be an asset, but you have to look at it objectively, he's clearly not doing a good job on the transfer front and it's time to look for someone who can do better.
So who do we thank for our successful transfer business
grim up north said:Shaelumstash said:grim up north said:Somebody else was brought into get rid of players
Who do you mean, John Williams? He's clearly a better negotiator than Marwood as he took his pants down and got 18m for Santa Cruz. Williams now actually reports to Marwood, and it is Marwood who has overall responsibility for transfer business. Obviously Mancini says who he does / doesn't want, but it is Marwood who does all of the negotiating and deal making.
I'm not saying he's useless, he's clearly intelligent and talented, otherwise he wouldn't have held the position he did at Nike, and have got the job with us in the first place. I am sure there is a role at the club where he could be an asset, but you have to look at it objectively, he's clearly not doing a good job on the transfer front and it's time to look for someone who can do better.
So who do we thank for our successful transfer business
BigBadBlue said:grim up north said:Shaelumstash said:Who do you mean, John Williams? He's clearly a better negotiator than Marwood as he took his pants down and got 18m for Santa Cruz. Williams now actually reports to Marwood, and it is Marwood who has overall responsibility for transfer business. Obviously Mancini says who he does / doesn't want, but it is Marwood who does all of the negotiating and deal making.
I'm not saying he's useless, he's clearly intelligent and talented, otherwise he wouldn't have held the position he did at Nike, and have got the job with us in the first place. I am sure there is a role at the club where he could be an asset, but you have to look at it objectively, he's clearly not doing a good job on the transfer front and it's time to look for someone who can do better.
So who do we thank for our successful transfer business
Successful transfer business as in huge transfer fees and contract wages? The same successful transfer business which see us unable to move out bridge, RSC and Ade now. Its all very simple, its marwood job to shift players in and out and if he can't hack it then he should go.
Mancini have every right to be angry. In any workplace, if any co-worker failings is gonna affect my performance, I will be furious at them.
grim up north said:BigBadBlue said:grim up north said:So who do we thank for our successful transfer business
Successful transfer business as in huge transfer fees and contract wages? The same successful transfer business which see us unable to move out bridge, RSC and Ade now. Its all very simple, its marwood job to shift players in and out and if he can't hack it then he should go.
Mancini have every right to be angry. In any workplace, if any co-worker failings is gonna affect my performance, I will be furious at them.
Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Clichy, Toure, Balotelli , Suarez , Rekik, Pozzo etc etc
New contracts for Mancini, Kompany etc
cannot have it both ways mate
BigBadBlue said:grim up north said:BigBadBlue said:Successful transfer business as in huge transfer fees and contract wages? The same successful transfer business which see us unable to move out bridge, RSC and Ade now. Its all very simple, its marwood job to shift players in and out and if he can't hack it then he should go.
Mancini have every right to be angry. In any workplace, if any co-worker failings is gonna affect my performance, I will be furious at them.
Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Clichy, Toure, Balotelli , Suarez , Rekik, Pozzo etc etc
New contracts for Mancini, Kompany etc
cannot have it both ways mate
You don't get it. His job is pertaining to ALL transfers. He must be able to do all of them well. Is it difficult to get Aguero, Silva and Nasri in? They are not exactly cheap and on pitiful contract wages. Anyway, if you are only able to fulfil 50% of your job responsibilities then you are not doing a good job.
grim up north said:BigBadBlue said:grim up north said:Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Clichy, Toure, Balotelli , Suarez , Rekik, Pozzo etc etc
New contracts for Mancini, Kompany etc
cannot have it both ways mate
You don't get it. His job is pertaining to ALL transfers. He must be able to do all of them well. Is it difficult to get Aguero, Silva and Nasri in? They are not exactly cheap and on pitiful contract wages. Anyway, if you are only able to fulfil 50% of your job responsibilities then you are not doing a good job.
No mate you dont get it i would imagine it is quite difficult to get the likes of Aguero in with top Euro sides sniffing around. Greedy agents etc I also suspect he does not go into negotiations with a blank cheque book.
How exactly is he supposed to get rid of Ade bearing in mind we are a business I am sure there is a line which he cannot go under.
Marwood is not playing a game on a PC he is operating in the real world.
To many people only see negatives on this board and I think in the greater scheme of things Mancini Marwood and the board have had more success than failure in the transfer market
grim up north said:BigBadBlue said:grim up north said:Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Clichy, Toure, Balotelli , Suarez , Rekik, Pozzo etc etc
New contracts for Mancini, Kompany etc
cannot have it both ways mate
You don't get it. His job is pertaining to ALL transfers. He must be able to do all of them well. Is it difficult to get Aguero, Silva and Nasri in? They are not exactly cheap and on pitiful contract wages. Anyway, if you are only able to fulfil 50% of your job responsibilities then you are not doing a good job.
No mate you dont get it i would imagine it is quite difficult to get the likes of Aguero in with top Euro sides sniffing around. Greedy agents etc I also suspect he does not go into negotiations with a blank cheque book.
How exactly is he supposed to get rid of Ade bearing in mind we are a business I am sure there is a line which he cannot go under.
Marwood is not playing a game on a PC he is operating in the real world.
To many people only see negatives on this board and I think in the greater scheme of things Mancini Marwood and the board have had more success than failure in the transfer market
Shaelumstash said:grim up north said:BigBadBlue said:You don't get it. His job is pertaining to ALL transfers. He must be able to do all of them well. Is it difficult to get Aguero, Silva and Nasri in? They are not exactly cheap and on pitiful contract wages. Anyway, if you are only able to fulfil 50% of your job responsibilities then you are not doing a good job.
No mate you dont get it i would imagine it is quite difficult to get the likes of Aguero in with top Euro sides sniffing around. Greedy agents etc I also suspect he does not go into negotiations with a blank cheque book.
How exactly is he supposed to get rid of Ade bearing in mind we are a business I am sure there is a line which he cannot go under.
Marwood is not playing a game on a PC he is operating in the real world.
To many people only see negatives on this board and I think in the greater scheme of things Mancini Marwood and the board have had more success than failure in the transfer market
In the real world, if I could "blow all the other teams out of the water" with transfer fees and wages, I could bring Aguero, Nasri, Silva etc in. It's great that we've got all those players in, but they're not here on 30k a week like Modric is at Spurs, they're on big money, and we've clearly been a club going places, so it's not exactly a hard sell.
Those players aren't here because Marwood is a shrewd mover in the transfer market, they're here because Mancini wants them, we pay the most money, and we're competing for the top trophies.
It depends how you define "success in the transfer market". We've got the majority of the players we wanted, if that's how you define success, then yes we have. But surely there is more to it that that? They have to be on contracts that are sustainable, and it has to be possible to move these players on if we no longer want them, without us still having to pay 50% of their wages!
We had to overspend to begin with to climb from 10th to 1st in 3 seasons, so it is not all Marwoods fault we are in this position. It is also down to Hughes being a moron. But we are where we are, and the fact remains it is Marwood's job to move players on. He's not been able to do that. As you say, it's the real world, and we need to get someone in who has a better real world track record in the transfer market.