Bring the Noise

[jrb]

New singing safe standing section in the family stand. £20 for adults £10 for under 18 pay on the door. May need drum may not no microphone though. We play towards that end in the second half anyway so it will be like a proper home end.

That’s what the fans want. What does the club want?

The Problem is, if the club offers cheap safe standing season tickets and match day tickets, everyone will want to stand there, even if they don’t sing.

We will just end up with another mixed SSL1, and another quiet Kippax corner.

If the NS is ever expanded or made safe standing first, this will be the clubs last chance to get a proper singing section right.

The club need to make fans apply to stand in any new singing section, and when they apply, the club need to email them a questionaire.

At least that way the club can gauge if that person really wants to move into any new signing section to sing or just to get a cheap season/match ticket. I appreciate people will lie.

The alternative would be to keep prices higher in any singing section, but give fans in there matchday incentives, like free beer, etc?

One way or another, the club have to try and fill a NSL1 singing section with singers.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Auditions and in depth mind probing interviews.

Make them sing THE BOYS IN BLUE all the way through or they get fucked off. Or In 1963.........

https://www.fanchants.com/football-songs/manchester_city-chants/in-1963/

 

[Thomas Hearns]

Some match days the Kippax was great, other days it was quiet. A great period for atmosphere was when we used to play Leeds, Sunderland, Newcastle, the Sheffield’s and Chelsea in the old second division. Often the atmosphere was flat for top flight games when we weren’t playing the top teams or North West rivals.

Yes that was a marvellous time, massive away followings and a real edge to the atmosphere.

 

[supersonicblue]

That’s what the fans want. What does the club want?

The Problem is, if the club offers cheap safe standing season tickets and match day tickets, everyone will want to stand there, even if they don’t sing.

We will just end up with another mixed SSL1, and another quiet Kippax corner.

If the NS is ever expanded or made safe standing first, this will be the clubs last chance to get a proper singing section right.

The club need to make fans apply to stand in any new singing section, and when they apply, the club need to email them a questionaire.

At least that way the club can gauge if that person really wants to move into any new signing section to sing or just to get a cheap season/match ticket. I appreciate people will lie.

The alternative would be to keep prices higher in any singing section, but give fans in there matchday incentives, like free beer, etc?

One way or another, the club have to try and fill a NSL1 singing section with singers.

North Stand is much better than the south. In the north you don’t have to compete with 3000 odd away fans who will all sing. We need a proper home end that we attack in the second half.
Acoustics are better in the south as well if they don’t extend you could have the whole bottom tier as safe standing singing section. The ones who want to stand and gesture at the away fans but don’t sing can stay but the singers move to the north stand. You need to contact them.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I'm sick of people romanticizing the past; the old Kippax could be very good (as can the Etihad) and the old Kippax could be quiet and shite (as can the Etihad).

Many European Ultras are extremely load, particularly the German and the Polish fans.

The problem that we're trying to address is how to make the Etihad as loud. Not a trivial thing to do as it requires a culture change. But we're not trying to do the impossible, European fans have shown that, they've set the bar so all we have to do is follow. English fans are by and large a miserable bunch and when you travel to European aways the contrast is really driven home. No reason why City can't lead the way in England on this.

Why do we have to follow people who wear gimp masks and heavy metal fashion t-shirts singing shit songs with no words to drums that are simply annoying?

We only have to look at our two biggest rivals to see we don’t need any of that shit.

It’s annoying to have to admit this but Liverpool have one of the best atmospheres in Europe and they don’t have a drum, and United’s away following (particularly their away following in the Cups) are the best around and they don’t have a drum.

We really need NSL1 to be set aside for us as a proper singing stand, that would be a start and give us a proper stage to start from and be worth being part of for all singers. We need a proper YouTube channel where fans are recorded singing songs and that’s where people will learn them (Liverpool’s fans YouTube channel is sponsored by Ladbrokes and they use money from that to pay for banners and flags). And as I’ve said tell the club to stop thinking atmosphere is them hammering shite over the tannoy at us at ten thousand decibells.

 

[Danny0161]

Yes agreed, its the mindset of fans. Once we change and put the miner things we mention in place we have a chance, but as it stands we look at to many reasons not to sing, and that's not guys on here, its the ones on the terraces with hand sin pockets or on mobiles.

First year or two at 1894 we gave the academy stadium a go for youth games / womens games. Like you say the first youth cup final game Vs Chelsea was quite good apart from the band. We then tried a womens game but nobody showed up, we tried the next two youth finals but even less turned up and the club gave free tickets out to schools in the end behind the goal. So we had a bad mix of fans that stewards didn't like and struggled controlling, we where made to feel a bit unwelcome. It went horribly and cringe worthy wrong so that ended that.

Big game Saturday so we will find our voices for this one. But no reason why we cant for all the games

From what I’ve seen on this thread re giving out school tickets for a singing section or letting day trippers in 115 amongst other things there either must be communication breakdown between u and the club or within the club itself. Either that or they’re just clueless and think throwing tourists and kids in to the loudest part of the stadium is fine cos it’s a singing section anyway?

Who were responsible for the band too cos I remember absolutely nobody liked it, surprised no one lobbed their heads off. Still would be cool to see u lot at some youth games maybe if it’s a derby or something.

 

[Danny0161]

That’s what the fans want. What does the club want?

The Problem is, if the club offers cheap safe standing season tickets and match day tickets, everyone will want to stand there, even if they don’t sing.

We will just end up with another mixed SSL1, and another quiet Kippax corner.

If the NS is ever expanded or made safe standing first, this will be the clubs last chance to get a proper singing section right.

The club need to make fans apply to stand in any new singing section, and when they apply, the club need to email them a questionaire.

At least that way the club can gauge if that person really wants to move into any new signing section to sing or just to get a cheap season/match ticket. I appreciate people will lie.

The alternative would be to keep prices higher in any singing section, but give fans in there matchday incentives, like free beer, etc?

One way or another, the club have to try and fill a NSL1 singing section with singers.

Wouldn’t getting rail seats mean u could stand where u want? That would fix any problem of non singers mixing in. Also a cheap standing section might sound good to some but if gets a reputation for singing/ flares or general bad behavior in the eyes of the club the tourists and families will stay away anyway, maybe also make east stand l1 standing for the non singers?

 

[half & half derby scarf]

Why do we have to follow people who wear gimp masks and heavy metal fashion t-shirts singing shit songs with no words to drums that are simply annoying?

We only have to look at our two biggest rivals to see we don’t need any of that shit.

It’s annoying to have to admit this but Liverpool have one of the best atmospheres in Europe and they don’t have a drum, and United’s away following (particularly their away following in the Cups) are the best around and they don’t have a drum.

We really need NSL1 to be set aside for us as a proper singing stand, that would be a start and give us a proper stage to start from and be worth being part of for all singers. We need a proper YouTube channel where fans are recorded singing songs and that’s where people will learn them (Liverpool’s fans YouTube channel is sponsored by Ladbrokes and they use money from that to pay for banners and flags). And as I’ve said tell the club to stop thinking atmosphere is them hammering shite over the tannoy at us at ten thousand decibells.

They really don't

 

[Deleted member 77198]

They really don't

Their atmosphere has improved no end in the last three years. They’re like a new fan base compared to ten years ago.

 

[Squidward]

That’s what the fans want. What does the club want?

The Problem is, if the club offers cheap safe standing season tickets and match day tickets, everyone will want to stand there, even if they don’t sing.

We will just end up with another mixed SSL1, and another quiet Kippax corner.

If the NS is ever expanded or made safe standing first, this will be the clubs last chance to get a proper singing section right.

The club need to make fans apply to stand in any new singing section, and when they apply, the club need to email them a questionaire.

At least that way the club can gauge if that person really wants to move into any new signing section to sing or just to get a cheap season/match ticket. I appreciate people will lie.

The alternative would be to keep prices higher in any singing section, but give fans in there matchday incentives, like free beer, etc?

One way or another, the club have to try and fill a NSL1 singing section with singers.

The questionnaire should be:

Would you support the idea of having a safe standing section in the stadium? Yes or No.

Would you like to participate in a potential safe standing section? Yes or no.

If yes to the 2nd question, leave details etc.

This section would be situated in... and will have a megaphone and drum where vocal and visual support of the team will be encouraged.

Or maybe you guys could do an independent questionnaire and take the results to the club.

 

[Squidward]

They really don't

Liverpool have the most overrated atmosphere in the UK. I know you shouldn’t gauge atmospheres from the television but teams like PSG and Dortmund have went there recently and totally dominated Liverpool vocally.

Apart from YNWA and a ripped off version of Allez Allez Allez they’re not up to much.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Why is it so important to people? It’s hardly changed in 40 years. Big games get good atmosphere mostly and games against the Watford’s of the world don’t unless we go behind and look like losing like Southampton when it ramped up. I can’t see that ever changing.

I remember watching us under Pearce and reading my programme all game it was that dull, not to mention the piped in singing against Everton.

 

[thelongbowman]

Why do we have to follow people who wear gimp masks and heavy metal fashion t-shirts singing shit songs with no words to drums that are simply annoying?

We only have to look at our two biggest rivals to see we don’t need any of that shit.

It’s annoying to have to admit this but Liverpool have one of the best atmospheres in Europe and they don’t have a drum, and United’s away following (particularly their away following in the Cups) are the best around and they don’t have a drum.

We really need NSL1 to be set aside for us as a proper singing stand, that would be a start and give us a proper stage to start from and be worth being part of for all singers. We need a proper YouTube channel where fans are recorded singing songs and that’s where people will learn them (Liverpool’s fans YouTube channel is sponsored by Ladbrokes and they use money from that to pay for banners and flags). And as I’ve said tell the club to stop thinking atmosphere is them hammering shite over the tannoy at us at ten thousand decibells.

Having shit ild grounds helps enormously with atmosphere. Fans closer to the pitch, crammed together in seats unsuitable for normal modern bums and roofs far lower which assists the volume.

Moderrn stadiums are different and it takes more effort to make noise.

Having said that, scouse and rag shit atmospheres are as bad as the rest for mundane games. You can hear the players quite often. Dont get suckered in by the media myth.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Having shit ild grounds helps enormously with atmosphere. Fans closer to the pitch, crammed together in seats unsuitable for normal modern bums and roofs far lower which assists the volume.

Moderrn stadiums are different and it takes more effort to make noise.

Having said that, scouse and rag shit atmospheres are as bad as the rest for mundane games. You can hear the players quite often. Dont get suckered in by the media myth.

Aways where it was all terraces were top away days.

In the seated era....Blackburn 4 - 1` game.....incredible

 

[jrb]

Wouldn’t getting rail seats mean u could stand where u want? That would fix any problem of non singers mixing in. Also a cheap standing section might sound good to some but if gets a reputation for singing/ flares or general bad behavior in the eyes of the club the tourists and families will stay away anyway, maybe also make east stand l1 standing for the non singers?

No.

You will still have your seat. They will be numbered. The club won’t ever bring that in again. They want to know who is sat where in the ground, as much as they can.

 

[Eccles Blue]

@Squidward I remember getting a questionnaire from the club a couple of years ago with those 2 questions plus a few others.

 

[jrb]

Their atmosphere has improved no end in the last three years. They’re like a new fan base compared to ten years ago.

Because......

They are winning all their home games.

They have fan groups like the Spirit of Shankly who organise flag displays, etc.

FSG are compelled by those groups to work with them.

Cast your mind back to the proposed season ticket price rises FSG wanted to bring in. Liverpool fans protested and up to 10,000 fans walked out during the match. The price rise never happened. That would never happen at City. Liverpool are the closest thing to an Ultra minded fanbase in England.

They also have a 20,000+ seater KOP that ‘now sings’ and get’s the rest of the ground going. And because the vast majority of their fans buy match day tickets, and there season ticket holders are limited, they have a rotating fanbase, whereas we have a static fanbase, as we have over 40,000 season ticket holders.

Only a few seasons ago LIverpool where s***. They were a good 20+ points behind us when we won the PL. Losing and drawing their home games. The atmosphere at Anfield was gash. You could hear a pin drop bar YNWA at the start of the match, and the same few Liverpool chants sang briefly after each goal. Don’t be fooled by this mystic notion about their support. Yes, their support is good now, why wouldn’t it be? CL winners, top of the PL, unbeaten home and away, etc. Their fans are loving it and lapping it up atm.

As for United’s away support. It is the best. Because most of their away support tends to consist of young Men in their 20’s and 30’s, who began following United through the Fergie winning years, and who are very vocal. Compare that to our away support. Most of our away support is in their 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. Including me. The same fans who have amassed away loyalty points over the years.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Because......

They are winning all their home games.

They have fan groups like the Spirit of Shankly who organise flag displays, etc.

FSG are compelled by those groups to work with them.

Cast your mind back to the proposed season ticket price rises FSG wanted to bring in. Liverpool fans protested and up to 10,000 fans walked out during the match. The price rise never happened. That would never happen at City. Liverpool are the closest thing to an Ultra minded fanbase in England.

They also have a 20,000+ seater KOP that ‘now sings’ and get’s the rest of the ground going. And because the vast majority of their fans buy match day tickets, and there season ticket holders are limited, they have a rotating fanbase, whereas we have a static fanbase, as we have over 40,000 season ticket holders.

Only a few seasons ago LIverpool where s***. They were a good 20+ points behind us when we won the PL. Losing and drawing their home games. The atmosphere at Anfield was gash. You could hear a pin drop bar YNWA at the start of the match, and the same few Liverpool chants sang briefly after each goal. Don’t be fooled by this mystic notion about their support. Yes, their support is good now, why wouldn’t it be? CL winners, top of the PL, unbeaten home and away, etc. Their fans are loving it and lapping it up atm.

As for United’s away support. It is the best. Because most of their away support tends to consist of young Men in their 20’s and 30’s, who began following United through the Fergie winning years, and who are very vocal. Compare that to our away support. Most of our away support is in their 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. Including me. The same fans who have amassed away loyalty points over the years.

Klopp took stick for it at the time, but the West Brom celebrations helped build a particular mindset in a certain subsection of fans. Remember when he first arrived he was criticizing fans for leaving early and not making enough noise.

 

[jrb]

Klopp took stick for it at the time, but the West Brom celebrations helped build a particular mindset in a certain subsection of fans. Remember when he first arrived he was criticizing fans for leaving early and not making enough noise.

It grates me to say this, as like most City fans I don’t like Liverpool fans, but they do stay until the final whistle. The KOP don’t budge until the final whistle has long gone, and after Klopp has gone over to them to celebrate. There are some early leavers in the main stand, mainly the corporate lot who get off early to get a drink, etc.

Pep has asked us to do the same, but in a more subtle way. Of late more City fans are staying to the final whistle, supporting the team, and applauding the team off.

If we can get a block of singers, I’m 100% sure they would all stay to the final whistle and carry on supporting the team. That ‘might eventually resonate’ with other City fans who tend to leave early, and they might decided to stay as well? Might?

.

 

[supersonicblue]

No drum please it just not city. I said to my mates 1 dipper 1 rag we had a drum the other night. Tinpot was the response. The KIPPAX didn’t need it so neither should you. All you need it a group of singers who will sing for 90 mins.