Brown stepping down - What now? [Merged]

[GStar]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Can you tell me who actually pays for all the services and where does the money come from? In order to have the great public services you have to have the money, buisiness creates the money, if you don't have the money you can't have the services, it seems quite a hard concept for some people, it does not grow and trees. Sure labour pumped squilions into public services, but in the process have given us the largest public debt ever, which is no good for the future of the country

It comes from tax, national insurance... the debt is because of the colapse of banks and bailouts worldwide. This isn't debt that has been spiraling uncontrolably since Labour got into power in 1997.

If Conservatives do what they did last time and privatise many businesses, then the owners will find the loop holes in the legislation to pay the least tax possible, it's almost human nature. Keeping public sector business public will keep the chances of maximising spending at its optimum.

Youre point about labour have had high public spending but left with high debt isn't compeltely directly linked, so im not sure of the point you are making?

Still no-one has said why Conservatives are good for this country now policy wise... all i've heard is why Labour are bad. I hope they show they are capable or making the right decisions and the best way to do that is with actions, not spin.

 

[Anonymous]

So, as I said to mikey, this Labour government has done fuck all for you too. We workers should all be glad they've gone.



Edit - What's your job? Sounds interesting. Genuine question by the way :-)

I'm a librarian specialising in genealogy, particularly military history.

Seeing as I'm in the military I can honestly say that it sounds like a bloody good job.

 

[ElanJo]

Will the fat cat Tory bankers all quit too?

They caused the mess, or are we trying to pretend it was the unions again?

It was neither. This economic mess is a result of Governments/Central Banks pumping the economy with cheap money, creating false, and completely unsustainable, economic signals and a system of debt and riskfree consequences, via bailouts, for banks and big businesses.

To blame bankers and "deregulation" is to buy into propaganda. Central economic planning has destroyed true productivity and hopefully now we can admit that Keynes has been discredited.

 

[johnny on the spot]

I'm a librarian specialising in genealogy, particularly military history.

Seeing as I'm in the military I can honestly say that it sounds like a bloody good job.

It's a pleasure most of the time, has to be said.

 

[Anonymous]

Will the fat cat Tory bankers all quit too?

They caused the mess, or are we trying to pretend it was the unions again?

It was neither. This economic mess is a result of Governments/Central Banks pumping the economy with cheap money, creating false, and completely unsustainable, economic signals and a system of debt and riskfree consequences, via bailouts, for banks and big businesses.

To blame bankers and "deregulation" is to buy into propaganda. Central economic planning has destroyed true productivity and hopefully now we can admit that Keynes has been discredited.

Ah, but the deregulation played a big part in the banks being able to operate without any fear of the consequences.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

I don't think I've heard one single Labour supporter on here say anything about their policies.

Plenty has been spoken of not least in the official election thread and indeed other politically motivated threads in the last few weeks however I suspect you had your'e fingers in your'e ears saying la la la la I can't hear you. Anyhoo here is your'e bed, hope you find it comfortable

See you all again in shall we say 12 or 18 months?

 

[Anonymous]

Anyhoo here is your'e bed, hope you find it comfortable

Now that we've got rid of those twats I should be able to afford something much nicer than that.

 

[terryphelan]

I'll start off with the proposed rise in NI contributions. That would have been the singular most damaging thing that could be done to the economy.

Stopping tax credits to families earning over 50K.

Cap public sector pensions above 50K (I think 50K is right)

Public sector pay freeze 2011 (not for the lowest paid though)

These are quick thoughts off the top of my head.

Those three things alone would single handedly turn the country around wouldn't they?

It is only fair rich people should be taxed more heavily than poor people.

Do you believe that it's fair that City should have to subsidise the rags?

 

[Anonymous]

I see Brown paid tribute to the Armed force in his leaving speech.

Pity he didn't think more of them when he was PM. Lying twat.

 

[Damocles]

Is it fair that I walked out of school with no qualifications, worked on site for a bit before going back to school/college/Uni to get all of my qualifications, whilst continuing to work 2 jobs, dragging myself through this to then become a freelancer and pay my own way? I pay my taxes, I pay my debts, I take care of my family, why should a scrounger working 5 hours a week get taxed less than me? I'm been punished for trying, it's bullshit.